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    Limited Category 1 3ph vs Category 1 3ph

    This info is spread out all over the web, but I thought it would be helpful to put it all in one place, and perhaps it will become a sticky.

    So I have a1026R. I am looking for a box blade and a land rake, and in order to get what will work best for me I've gone around and around trying to find the REAL differences between cat 1 and limited cat 1. Surprisingly, many tractor sales people don't know the difference. I just had a Deere salesman yesterday tell me that lower link spacing is smaller on Cat1 limited. NOT TRUE! The only difference is a matter of height due to the smaller wheels on some SCUTS.

    This is what John Deere says:
    "The limited Category 1, 3-point hitch is standard for quick hookup of 3-point hitch implements. Industry-standard link and connecting point specifications for Category 1 hitches are met, allowing implements to easily connect to the tractor. However, the low profile of the 1023E and 1026R may prevent the hitch from lifting some implements to the minimum height prescribed by the Category 1 standard. Thus, the word limited is added to the description."

    These are the standard dimensions.

    Category - Hitch pin size - - - - - Hitch pin size - - - - - Lower hitch - - - - -Tractor drawbar power
    - - - - - - - - upper link - - - - - - - lower links- - - - - - - spacing

    0 - - - - - - - 17 mm (5⁄8") - - - - - 17 mm (5⁄8") - - - - - 500 mm (20") - - - -<15 kW (<20 hp)
    1 - - - - - - - 19 mm (3⁄4") - - - - - 22.4 mm (7⁄8") - - - - 718 mm (26") - - - -15-35 kW (20-45 hp)
    2 - - - - - - - 25.5 mm (1") - - - - - 28.7 mm (1 1⁄8") - - - 870 mm (32") - - - -30-75 kW (40-100 hp)
    3 - - - - - - - 31.75 mm (1 1⁄4") - - 37.4 mm (1 7⁄16")- - -1010 mm (38") - - -60-168 kW (80-225 hp)
    4 - - - - - - - 45mm (1 3⁄4") - - - - 51 mm (2") - - - - - - 1220 mm (46") - - -135-300 kW (180-400 hp)

    I measured my own 1026R and find that with the iMatch attached it was almost 28" wide at my lower control arms, and there is plenty of flexibility to narrow that.

    1026R specs

    Rear Type - - - - - - - - - Limited Cat I
    Control - - - - - - - - - - position control
    Rear lift (at ends) - - - - - 1,433 lbs [650 kg]
    Rear lift (at 24"/610mm) - 681 lbs [308 kg]

    Some helpful links:
    iMatch - https://jdparts.deere.com/partsmkt/d..._quick_coupler
    JS Sales Manual - 3-point hitch

    If anyone has other info, let's add it to this thread.
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    This is great information, thank you!

    I see that TSC for example, has a narrower lower link width for what they call SCUT attachements vs. standard Cat 1 attachments. The TSC (County Line brand) SCUT attachments have a narrower lower link mounting width than the standard Cat 1 width. What is the reason for this? Are they really marketing what they call a SCUT attachment as Cat 0 attachment? I'm assuming that the Cat 0 with it 20" lower link width is really what they consider to be a SCUT when it's really a lawn/garden tractor with a 3pt hitch?
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    I think you've hit the nail on the head, their SCUT sizes are actually CAT 0.
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    Being totally 3pt hitch challenged, maybe someone can clue me in on the lift capacity:

    1026R specs
    Rear Type - - - - - - - - - Limited Cat I
    Control - - - - - - - - - - position control
    Rear lift (at ends) - - - - - 1,433 lbs [650 kg]
    Rear lift (at 24"/610mm) - 681 lbs [308 kg]


    "Rear lift at ends" What "ends"?
    "Rear lift at 24"? 24" from what? That's about half of the "ends" lift capacity.

    I find it interesting that my 1026r came with every piece of paper pertaining to every attachment/accessory/"kit", etc., but NOTHING regarding assembling the 3pt. other than the obvious places to lube. Some "country boys" ain't never hitched up a 3pt hitch! Fifth wheels, pintles and balls aplenty, but never a 3pt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HydroHarold View Post
    Being totally 3pt hitch challenged, maybe someone can clue me in on the lift capacity:

    1026R specs
    Rear Type - - - - - - - - - Limited Cat I
    Control - - - - - - - - - - position control
    Rear lift (at ends) - - - - - 1,433 lbs [650 kg]
    Rear lift (at 24"/610mm) - 681 lbs [308 kg]


    "Rear lift at ends" What "ends"?
    "Rear lift at 24"? 24" from what? That's about half of the "ends" lift capacity.

    I find it interesting that my 1026r came with every piece of paper pertaining to every attachment/accessory/"kit", etc., but NOTHING regarding assembling the 3pt. other than the obvious places to lube. Some "country boys" ain't never hitched up a 3pt hitch! Fifth wheels, pintles and balls aplenty, but never a 3pt.
    The "ends" are the lower link arms. The reason that the lift specs are often quoted at 24 inches beyond the link arms is that the CG of the rear implement is always further back than the link arms. So, lift capacity 24 inches back gives you a better picture of the weight of an actual implement that you can pick up.

    It's the same reason that loader lift is often rated 18 inches beyond the piviot point....that's about where the CG of a loaded bucket MIGHT be.
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    Like Arlen wrote, the "ends" are the rotating balls at the end of the lift arms.
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    Does anyone know what the "minimum" height is by the Category 1 standard? I am curious on what the difference is between the standard and what how high the 1 series can lift. I don't have much experience in this but the only place I would think this could matter would be an auger, which I am looking at getting one to dig the footers for my deck. Do I need to be worried about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FavFour View Post
    Does anyone know what the "minimum" height is by the Category 1 standard? I am curious on what the difference is between the standard and what how high the 1 series can lift. I don't have much experience in this but the only place I would think this could matter would be an auger, which I am looking at getting one to dig the footers for my deck. Do I need to be worried about this?
    A post hole digger/auger for a SCUT will have a longer boom so the lift height doesn't really make a difference in this application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FavFour View Post
    Does anyone know what the "minimum" height is by the Category 1 standard? I am curious on what the difference is between the standard and what how high the 1 series can lift. I don't have much experience in this but the only place I would think this could matter would be an auger, which I am looking at getting one to dig the footers for my deck. Do I need to be worried about this?
    As far as I know, the only things that the Cat 1 standard dictates is the diameter of the pins and the spread of the lower lift arms....It's a pretty loose standard.
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    Great info. Correct on the height issue. The biggesg implement I see problems with are post augers. I am running some great end of the year sales on frontier equipment. Pm for a quote.

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