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New 2025r??

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#1 ·
Been a long time since I could post on here but I'm back!!!!!! So has anyone heard anything on a new 2025 yet??? I saw Jason and Tims video, awesome video guys well done!!! But did ya squeak any other secrets out of him hahaha?? :lolol:
 
#3 ·
Nope. No other secrets. Heck, JD is pretty good at keeping secrets until they want to release a product.
 
#6 ·
Huh. With the new 2032R/2038R release along with the 3025E I just assumed the 2025R was at a dead end.
 
#11 · (Edited)
What I don't understand about the current 2025R is why it only has 5.6 GPM total hydraulic output, while the 1025R has 6.3 GPM total hydraulic output. How does that make sense when a 2025R is somewhere in the neighborhood of $3k more expensive, but it has a higher loader capacity, barely....

This makes no sense to me. Maybe somebody can explain it? Bigger frame really worth that much?

A new 1025R with a D120 loader and a 54" manual mower deck (whatever "manual" means) at Muttonpower is listed on sale at $15,299, currently. Lift capacity is 570 lbs as per JD.

A new 2025R with a H120 loader and a 54D mower at Muttonpower is listed on sale at $18,599 currently. Lift capacity is 717 lbs as per JD.

Totally weird...
 
#12 ·
GD, total hydraulic flow does not determine lift capacity, only speed. Many other variables like the max operating pressure, cylinders diameter, and geometry is what determines capacity. Also note that the D120 loader may not have the quick attach setup on it because it costs less-hence a better advertised price. Manual lift means the deck is raised and lower via the 3 point hitch.
 
#13 ·
Another difference will be the hydraulic pump(s). I haven't kept up with all this but pretty sure.....

The 1 series has 1 hydraulic pump that is shared for the loader, 3-point hitch, and steering. The 2 series has a separate pump for steering. This makes a huge difference when doing a lot of loader work - you can steer the tractor while lifting a loaded bucket/forks.
 
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#14 ·
Another difference will be the hydraulic pump(s). I haven't kept up with all this but pretty sure.....

The 1 series has 1 hydraulic pump that is shared for the loader, 3-point hitch, and steering. The 2 series has a separate pump for steering. This makes a huge difference when doing a lot of loader work - you can steer the tractor while lifting a loaded bucket/forks.
Not the 2320 or the 2025R.
 
#18 ·
Yeah, I thought the pressure might be higher on the 2025R.

You're right that the D120 loader doesn't have quick a quick attach bucket, or pallet forks. That's what the H120 loader is for on the 1025R

But, as far as I've looked, there is no dual pump (steering/implements) setup on the 2025R. Only one pump. The 2025R is just a slightly rebadged 2320. Dual pumps used to start with the 2520 model, but that has been discontinued.

It seems like Deere needs a model in terms of size either between the 1025R and 2025R, or somewhere between the 2025R and the 2032R. I think they have a 2027R in Europe, but not in the US.
 
#19 ·
I am probably off base here, but I thought the 2027R was a no go in the US, because of tier 4? Didn't make much sense to produce a tier 4 27hp tractor when the non-tier 4 24.2hp is a better performer. Am I correct about this, or full of beans?
 
#20 ·
I believe that Tier 4 emissions under 19 KW (25 HP) only have to have less than 7.5 g/KW hr of NOx emissions, whereas larger engines have to have max of 4.7 g/KW hr.

http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyPDF.cgi?Dockey=P100OA05.pdf

So, it is a cost issue for engines greater than 19 KW of power (25 hp). All that emissions equipment is not really cost effective for maybe 27 hp. So, you're right.
 
#22 · (Edited)
A 2 series H130 loader WILL dump over a 6 ft. fence with ease, a 1 series, is not an option. So Lift height is a factor besides any hydro benfits. That said, I would never buy another 2025R unless the Hydro trans is Bolted to the engine ( 2032-38) That drive shaft running all the time bothers me, but at least mine is easy to grease now. Now to deal with that "2hp itch" , similar to what boaters get in Length of their boat ( 2 ft "itch") to go bigger.. LOL :laugh:
 
#23 ·
A 2 series H130 loader WILL dump over a 6 ft. fence with ease, a 1 series, is not an option. So Lift height is a factor besides any hydro benfits. That said, I would never buy another 2025R unless the Hydro trans is Bolted to the engine ( 2032-38) That drive shaft running all the time bothers me, but at least mine is easy to grease now. Now to deal with that "2hp itch" , similar to what boaters get in Length of their boat ( 2 ft "itch") to go bigger.. LOL :laugh:
?? :dunno:
They still have a drive shaft.
 
#29 ·
I didn't want to say anything without going out to the barn and looking/verifying - but I was pretty sure my 2520 has a driveshaft between the engine and hydro. It's just that the shaft is in a perfect straight line and has no u-joints. Also the engine is solid mounted vs. rubber mounted like the smaller tractors which neccessitates u-joints because the engine can move if only slightly.

Maybe I am wrong and just dreaming that I read this somewhere........
 
#31 ·
You are correct. But, for the purposes of this discussion I assumed the previous poster was referring to a drive shaft in the conventional sense as being a shaft with U-joints on each end that requires maintenance. Obviously, even though the engine, center section and transaxle are all bolted together on the 2032R there is still a "shaft" in there that is transferring power. :)
 
#34 · (Edited)
If you look at the current JD sales incentives on the 2025, you'll see they run till end of April at least. Usually there is around a 2 week grace period after this. I will venture to say the End of May or early June will be the Arrival. I assume they will cost more, and JD has some 2025R ,2016 style, clean up to do . There are a bunch Not sold in the US it seems. 6 year WARRANTY on the NEW model ... 6 Years.... at the cost of updating my "warranty" on my 2015R this could be huge at ZERO % interest...
 
#36 ·
the euro 2025r has a 54d and 62d deck option, and i'm really hoping it's the one we get. it looks like the 1025r front end, on a bigger frame, with a bigger transmission and front axle. while the rear fenders aren't the same, i'm hoping the operator's station is close enough to the 1025r that the new cab for the 1025r will fit... but I can't find any validation to that like I have that the 1025r and 2025r share the same hood, engine, and gauge bezel, to match the front ends..
 
#38 ·
That falls right in line with what my dealer told me then, he said they were getting the specs on the 22nd and the public release would a week later:good2:
 
#39 ·
That's what I heard too. I still can't help but check the JD website everyday...:cheers:
 
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#41 ·
Seems they have lowered the hydraulic pressure...

John Deere 2025R Compact Utility Tractor John Deere 2025R Compact Utility Tractor (Previous 2025R)
ENGINE
FamilyGYDXL1.27NS1HYDXL1.27NS1EYDXL1.27NS2FYDXL1.27NS2GYDXL1.27NS2
ManufacturerYanmarYanmar
Engine model3TNV80F-NCJT3TNV80F-NDJK
Engine power (gross)17.8 kW23.9 hpSAE J1995 rated power17.8 kW23.9 hpSAE J1995 rated power
Power take-off (PTO) power13.4 kW18 hp14.5 kW18 hp
Rated engine speed3200 rpm3000 rpm
TypeDieselDiesel
Injection pump typeIndirect injectionIndirect injection
AspirationNaturalNatural
Emissions complianceFinal Tier 4Final Tier 4
Cylinders/displacement3 / 1.267 L3 / 77 cu in.3 / 1.267 L3 / 77.3 cu in.
Number of cylindersThreeThree
Cylinder linersCast-in-blockCast-in-block
Bore and stroke80 x 84 mm3.2 x 3.3 in.80 x 84 mm3.15 x 3.31 in.
Compression ratio23:0123.1:1
LubricationPressurizedPressurized
Cooling systemWater pumpWater pump
Air cleanerDual elementDual element
Engine torque at rated speed53 Nm39.09 lb-ft54.6 Nm40.27 lb-ft
Fuel tank capacity23.8 L6.3 gal.23 L6.1 gal.
ELECTRICAL
Battery size500 CCA500 CCA
Alternator (12-V)40 amp40 amp
Starter size1.2 kW1.6 hp1.2 kW1.6 hp
FUEL SYSTEM
TypeIndirect injectionIndirect injection
Fuel consumption5.8 L/hr1.5 U.S. gal./hr6.1 L/hr1.6 U.S. gal./hr
TRANSMISSION
Standard transmission; forward/reverseHydrostatic - 2 rangeHydrostatic - 2 range
Optional transmission; forward/reverse
Left-hand reverserNoNo
Transmission gear ranges
Final driveSpur GearBull Gear
BrakesWet discWet disc
SteeringPower steeringPower steering
Clutch, wet/dry
Clutch disk diameter wet clutch
Axle capacityFront612 kg1349 lbRear1100 kg2425 lbFront880 kg1940 lbRear1100 kg2426 lb
CreeperNoNo
Cruise controlStandardStandard
Differential lockYesYes
Drawbar maximum vertical load
HYDRAULICS
TypeOpen centerOpen center
Pump rated outputSteering13.25 L/min3.5 gpmImplement13.25 L/min3.5 gpm26.5 L/min7.0 gpmSteering8.5 L/min2.2 gpmImplement12.7 L/min3.4 gpm21.2 L/min5.6 gpm
Pump typeGearGear
Maximum operating pressure148.2 bar2150 psi166.9 bar2421 psi
Draft control sensingPosition controlPosition control
Remote control valves availableTwoTwo
3-POINT HITCH
CategoryLimited Category 1Category 1
Lift capacity, 24-in. behind link arms400 kg882 lb522 kg1150 lb
POWER TAKE-OFF (PTO)
StandardRear - 540 rpmMid - 2100 rpmRear - 540 rpmMid - 2100 rpm
Optional
ControlIndependentIndependent
ClutchWet discWet disc
Brake (for mid and rear PTO)Wet discWet disc
Engagement method
FLUID CAPACITIES
Crankcase with filter2.7 L2.9 qt3.2 L3.4 qt
Transmission and hydraulic system
FINAL DRIVE
TypeSpur GearBull Gear
Differential lockYesYes
OPERATOR STATION
Rollover protective structureTypeFoldableOSHA, SAE, ASAETypeFoldableOSHA, SAE, ASAE
Platform - flat/straddleThree-piece semi flatFlat
Gear shift location - console/floorLeft-hand sideLeft-hand side
CAB
Compliance
Visibility
Air conditioning, temperature differential
Doors
Noise rating
Seat equipment
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase1600 mm63 in.160 cm63 in.
Front axle clearance316 mm12.5 in.318.4 mm12.5 in.
Turning radius with brakes2.04 m6.7 ft
Turning radius without brakes2.65 m8.7 ft2.34 m7.7 ft
Limited slip differentialNoNo
Approximate shipping weight (open-station; cab)813.5 kg1793.4 lb753 kg1660 lb
TIRES
FrontR3 Turf - 23x8.50-12R4 Industrial - 23x8.50-12R3 Radial - 220/55-R12Turf - 23x8.50-12R4 - 23x8.50-12
RearR3 Turf - 31x13.5-15R4 Industrial - 12-16.5R3 Radial - 280/70-R16Turf - 31x13.5-15R4 - 12-16.5
Front tread range95.3 cm37.5 in.95.3 cm37.5 in.
Rear tread spacing
MISCELLANEOUS
ToolboxYesNo
Tilt steering wheelYes
12-V OutletYes
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Date collected
 
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#45 ·
Seems they have lowered the hydraulic pressure...
There are a lot of specs that seems to have gone DOWN.

The front axle now has 600 lb. less weight capacity. Not good for those who like to operate the loader without proper ballast.

NEW: Front 1349 lb

OLD: Front 1940 lb
 
#42 ·
And why did they make it a limited Cat 1:dunno:
 
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#46 ·
Some of the specs seem to contradict themselves depending on if you look at the web site page vs looking at the specs section.

Deere seems to have problems with putting specs on their pages anyhow.

If you look at the loader page: https://www.deere.com/en/loaders/front-end-loaders-for-tractors/

Then look at the lift capacity of the 120R loader vs H130.

On the main table there:

120R lift is 754lbs
H130 lift is 717lbs

but then if you click on those individual links and look at the specs listed there:

120R lift is 754lbs when it is measured at the pivot at full lift
H130 lift is 1023lbs when it is measured at the pivot at full ift.

There's no 717lbs at all anywhere on the H130 spec page.

There's a also some differences in both models with the PTO specs:

New 2025R PTO power "13.4 kW 18 hp"
Older 2025R PTO power "14.5 kW 18 hp"

They can't both be 18hp or either can't both have differing metric values for power.

my trusty HP48gx calculator says 14.5kW is 19.44HP

But you'll find those odd issues like that all in their data. Someone is either rounding stuff or copying data from another unit and then forgetting to change some of the entries or something.
 
#47 ·
I agree with JD's specs and how they post them :nunu: but none the less, it looks like they took a couple of steps backwards although I don't know why I always look, my little 1023 has done everything I have thrown at it and just keeps asking for more :good2:
 
#48 ·
Somewhere on the JD website I just saw where the rear implements are supposed to be all the same as what the 2032 would use. But, the specs, as several people pointed out, just seem a bit odd. I don't know, initial thought is that this will not bring enough people over from a 1025R...at this point, jumping to the 2032 would be better.

I will still be anxious to see a video review from JD at some point - the website specs absolutely annoying in their inconsistency. And, the implements brochure that they have a link to is not even up to date. The 2032 and 2038 are not even listed (well, the 2032 is, but of course that would be the old model). So, overall, this is a pretty bad marketing presentation.

I guess I'll be sticking with the 1025R for my needs...I thought this new machine could have brought me over to a 2R series.
 
#49 ·
Somewhere on the JD website I just saw where the rear implements are supposed to be all the same as what the 2032 would use. But, the specs, as several people pointed out, just seem a bit odd. I don't know, initial thought is that this will not bring enough people over from a 1025R...at this point, jumping to the 2032 would be better.

I will still be anxious to see a video review from JD at some point - the website specs absolutely annoying in their inconsistency. And, the implements brochure that they have a link to is not even up to date. The 2032 and 2038 are not even listed (well, the 2032 is, but of course that would be the old model). So, overall, this is a pretty bad marketing presentation.

I guess I'll be sticking with the 1025R for my needs...I thought this new machine could have brought me over to a 2R series.
They should have called the new 2025R a 1025R+, or something. Deere's reuse of model numbers for the same machines really grinds my gears... Hmmm, I need to go post there... :laugh:
 
#50 ·
After reading all of this, I'm so glad I got mine last year.
 
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#52 ·
Yep - sort of my point. It seems like it doesn't blend enough into the new 2032R's.

But, its still worth waiting around to see some more information as its released. Everyone talks like its all easy to jump to a 2032/2038. But nobody really talks about the HUGE price jump. All of a sudden, implements are a couple thou. more here and there. Before you know it, the same TLB package with a snowblower and MMM is 10 grand more than a 1025R.

So, for me, I'll keep an open mind yet...but, initial thoughts are it isn't looking to be worth the move...for me and my needs. Everyone's different.
 
#54 ·
We summarized the differences/similarities we saw as compared to 1025R/203xR here: 2017/2018 2025R First Look


Here is a video interview/walk around with John Doyle - Deere Product Marketing Manager.



Enjoy!

We're back at the show today. So if you have specific questions let us know here, or in the video comments.

Tim
 
#55 · (Edited)
not gonna lie, it's pretty underwhelming. I was expecting it to be closer to the middle of the 1025R and 2038R, or at least a 1025R with full implement height.. that limited cat1 hitch is gonna be a deal breaker again.

Tim, can you ask if the new 2Rs are going to get a cab option soon? also, do they have an MSRP for the 2025R yet? you da best.

oh! and how does the mid hydraulic location compare to the 2R or 1R tractors?
 
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