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    Can someone confirm the amps?

    Really not sure where to put this, so I'll put it here. Mods, move it if you feel it needs to be.

    I'm almost sure that this is a 50 amp breaker on the 220, but I'm not 100%. I'll post a couple pictures to see if you can tell. I want to make sure I don't have to change it out for a new welder. Not a big deal if I do, just don't want to if I don't have to.

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    Martian, that is a 20 amp double pole 220v breaker. You'll have to upgrade the wiring in addition to the outlet for a 50a welder plug.


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    Like DS said, that is a 20amp breaker. The numbers on the lever part you flip is the amperage of the breaker. You have a 15 amp 120 breaker on one side of it and and a 30 amp 120 breaker on the other.

    If it was done correctly you will need to replace wiring as DS said. But I would pull the cover and check what wire gauge you have before doing anything.

    I would assume it not piped with conduit so replacing your wiring is going to be a lot of work. You might be better off adding a receptacle near the panel if that is possible or location is correct.
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    Thanks, this is what I figured. My barn has no drywall or insulation, so it should be fairly easy to rewire. It's all open, unless I'm totally off the mark on what your saying.

    I just checked the Miller specifications again, and it says
    Quote Originally Posted by Miller
    230 V, 25 A, 60 Hz, 1-Phase
    120 V, 20 A, 60 Hz, 1-Phase
    That to me sounds like I only need a 25 amp breaker. That right? Of course I'd still need to put a 25 amp breaker in, but am I reading this wrong?
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    The breaker is to protect the size of the wire and not allow it to get too hot from drawing to much current. So it depends on the length of the run, what size wire you install to get to a breaker size. Personally, if it were a short run, (less than 50 foot) I would run 8 guage with a 50a breaker and future proof yourself. The cost difference wouldn't be dramatic. You could get away with 10 guage with a 25a breaker for a fairly short run.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Martian View Post
    Thanks, this is what I figured. My barn has no drywall or insulation, so it should be fairly easy to rewire. It's all open, unless I'm totally off the mark on what your saying.

    I just checked the Miller specifications again, and it says


    That to me sounds like I only need a 25 amp breaker. That right? Of course I'd still need to put a 25 amp breaker in, but am I reading this wrong?
    OK on drywall. You will jump to a 30 amp breaker. Your wire needs to be able to handle at least 30 amps to match the breaker. Since your wire is exposed, check the print on the side of wiring. Look for something like 10/3, 12/3, etc.
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    I'm about ~17' from the box. I'll post a picture of the wire as well. But it says:
    Type NM-B 12-2 WITH GROUND 600 VOLTS CIRTEX-1 (UL) 6/02/03 J2/1 KP/ BF 1000
    What would you recommend?

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    I would go with 8 ga wire.
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    You can de-rate the wire on a dedicated welder circuit, that 12/2 could pass code with a 50 amp breaker. It is becasue of the welders duty cycle that allows this.

    However, I would not do it, and I agree with the #8 suggestion.
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    Thanks. I guess I'll be making a trip to the Home Depot!
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