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    Site Layout - Home and Barn Placement

    I am working on a road layout for a new home and barn I would like to build in the future. I am looking to start cutting trees down in the near future and start digging up stumps. I plan on a 14 foot wide road that is not straight so people cannot look down it and see back there.

    I also want a place to allow people to park or turn around when they come to visit.

    So in planning, that barn I hope to build will be 40 x 64, and due to its size, my architect buddy wants me to move it into the woods (on the right in the pdf). Its about 100 feet away from the house.

    I am interested in any of your comments. The curvy line represents my alfalfa field and the rest is 5 year old trees.

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    Brian,

    Some questions that come to my mind after looking at the diagram. You may already have answers to these, or they may not be "important" or useful to you... Thought I would share in case they at minimum provoke some of your own additional thoughts.

    What's the driving reason to put the barn "in the trees"? Is there a possibility to move it in such a way that you could have, at least, a covered walkway between the house and the barn (if desired)?

    With regard to the winding driveway - keep in mind that it's a double-edged sword. While no one can look down the drive to see what you're doing, emergency personnel can also not see down the same driveway to locate possible crimes or a fire. Additionally, it also means that you have no visibility of the street until you're almost at the end of your driveway. Have you considered using hedges, trees, etc to "hide the majority of the house" while actually still allowing a majority view of the road from house / house from the road?

    What sort of grade does the site have? Is it mostly level? If so, keeping the drive clear of snow and such shouldn't be much of an issue. If it's sloped, however, you'll have to negotiate the turns AND the grade.

    Sorry, but I have to work that weekend. So, I won't be able to help.
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    I just replied on WA, but I'll add the same input here:

    I like the layout, can you see the house from the road? I really like the seclusion when you wrap around a drive and pop out at the house. If you can now, let that new growth continue to build up. I understand the safety of it, but I'd MUCH rather pay for ADT or something similar...

    As far as the circle drive, they have their ups and downs. For pulling your trailer (18' IIRC) will be tough to just pull straight up and back up, but it is manageable. Be sure to make it wide too, people driving cars have a hard enough time staying off the grass around them, let alone pulling a trailer. As far as functionality, there are better options, but I think the circle looks by far the best. If it were me, I'd have a big flag pole in the center of it.

    Oh, and if there's anyway that the house could be in the woods vs field, just a prettier site IMO. Otherwise it's just more landscaping. I've been going more natural lately doing less mowing and letting the forest retake itself. Out of the 25 acres I have at my cabin, between the new land and the old, I only mow maybe 1/3 acre. Just enough space to enjoy it, but not so much that it's more work than its worth.
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    Wow your CAD program has very realistic hand type drawing.

    I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martian View Post
    I just replied on WA, but I'll add the same input here:

    I like the layout, can you see the house from the road? I really like the seclusion when you wrap around a drive and pop out at the house. If you can now, let that new growth continue to build up. I understand the safety of it, but I'd MUCH rather pay for ADT or something similar...

    As far as the circle drive, they have their ups and downs. For pulling your trailer (18' IIRC) will be tough to just pull straight up and back up, but it is manageable. Be sure to make it wide too, people driving cars have a hard enough time staying off the grass around them, let alone pulling a trailer. As far as functionality, there are better options, but I think the circle looks by far the best. If it were me, I'd have a big flag pole in the center of it.

    Oh, and if there's anyway that the house could be in the woods vs field, just a prettier site IMO. Otherwise it's just more landscaping. I've been going more natural lately doing less mowing and letting the forest retake itself. Out of the 25 acres I have at my cabin, between the new land and the old, I only mow maybe 1/3 acre. Just enough space to enjoy it, but not so much that it's more work than its worth.
    The way I interpreted what Brian wrote, you wouldn't be able to see the house from the road / road from the house. I agree with you about having that feeling of seclusion from "prying eyes" and even being sort of "out of sight, out of mind" from passersby in general. I should have mentioned that with my posts above.

    You bring up an excellent point about dragging a trailer through. The way that Brian has the curves, I think he would be ok with most trailers. The curve radii are large which will make for some gentle curves. The driveway width might be at issue. With max trailer width at 102" (8'6") means that there's only a little under 3' of clearance on each side of the trailer. I use a decent chunk of my full-width road when navigating the sharper curves with my 18' trailer connected (over 21' total length on top of 20' length of truck). Not the whole width of the road, mind you, but enough that I would be concerned about only 3' of clearance on either side. I could do out all of the math to figure it all out, but it would sure be a whole lot quicker to drag the trailer out to a large, empty parking lot with some cones and such to set up a test and see what "feels" comfortable.

    Of course, backing in or out would be about out of the question... ;) Better make sure there's plenty of room to turn around near the house!
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    Quote Originally Posted by meburdick View Post
    The way I interpreted what Brian wrote, you wouldn't be able to see the house from the road / road from the house. I agree with you about having that feeling of seclusion from "prying eyes" and even being sort of "out of sight, out of mind" from passersby in general. I should have mentioned that with my posts above.

    You bring up an excellent point about dragging a trailer through. The way that Brian has the curves, I think he would be ok with most trailers. The curve radii are large which will make for some gentle curves. The driveway width might be at issue. With max trailer width at 102" (8'6") means that there's only a little under 3' of clearance on each side of the trailer. I use a decent chunk of my full-width road when navigating the sharper curves with my 18' trailer connected (over 21' total length on top of 20' length of truck). Not the whole width of the road, mind you, but enough that I would be concerned about only 3' of clearance on either side. I could do out all of the math to figure it all out, but it would sure be a whole lot quicker to drag the trailer out to a large, empty parking lot with some cones and such to set up a test and see what "feels" comfortable.

    Of course, backing in or out would be about out of the question... ;) Better make sure there's plenty of room to turn around near the house!
    I mostly copied and pasted that response with a little extra from Workshop Addict, so it didn't make complete sense looking back at it now. And I'd figured he didn't add any info so I didn't really read the original post OOPS!

    I believe his plan was to use the circle drive to turn the trailers around, which will work, as long as you don't put any sort of landscaping right off the drive and don't mind going way off into the grass to back it up. One of the mistakes I made in my barn at home is I have a curvy drive and although I've 'mastered the backup' after a lot of practice, I still would like to be able to pull back by my barn and just turn right around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martian View Post
    I mostly copied and pasted that response with a little extra from Workshop Addict, so it didn't make complete sense looking back at it now. And I'd figured he didn't add any info so I didn't really read the original post OOPS!

    I believe his plan was to use the circle drive to turn the trailers around, which will work, as long as you don't put any sort of landscaping right off the drive and don't mind going way off into the grass to back it up. One of the mistakes I made in my barn at home is I have a curvy drive and although I've 'mastered the backup' after a lot of practice, I still would like to be able to pull back by my barn and just turn right around.
    I think I would scrap the circle drive, and make it one big, flat crushed rock area.
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    I am going to complete the driveway up the the circle over the next 3 weeks. The circle and the drive to the barn, plus even the barn placement are all up in the air.

    Can you see the home from the road. At this point, yes as the trees are only 15 feet tall.

    We will have video going and ADT, plus a driveway alarm just for fun.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    I am going to complete the driveway up the the circle over the next 3 weeks. The circle and the drive to the barn, plus even the barn placement are all up in the air.

    Can you see the home from the road. At this point, yes as the trees are only 15 feet tall.

    We will have video going and ADT, plus a driveway alarm just for fun.
    Just throwing out more thoughts...

    Does any heavy equipment need to be brought in to dig a cellar hole? Remove trees? Dig a septic system? etc... If so, how much damage will that do to a driveway? Don't those usually get installed last because of damage that can be done during construction? What about just grading it and leaving it at that until construction is done? Or, even grading then laying down the base material maybe... I would expect that the finish coating would be best done once you have everything complete, including and water lines, sewer lines, underground utilities, electrical service for the powered gate and coach lights at the end of the drive, etc.

    Plus, what happens if you "land" in a place other than where it ultimately needs to be if you change location for the house (maybe there's a ginormous boulder where you want the house and would have to move 100' in one direction as a result)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meburdick View Post
    Just throwing out more thoughts...

    Does any heavy equipment need to be brought in to dig a cellar hole? Remove trees? Dig a septic system? etc... If so, how much damage will that do to a driveway? Don't those usually get installed last because of damage that can be done during construction? What about just grading it and leaving it at that until construction is done? Or, even grading then laying down the base material maybe... I would expect that the finish coating would be best done once you have everything complete, including and water lines, sewer lines, underground utilities, electrical service for the powered gate and coach lights at the end of the drive, etc.

    Plus, what happens if you "land" in a place other than where it ultimately needs to be if you change location for the house (maybe there's a ginormous boulder where you want the house and would have to move 100' in one direction as a result)?
    A drive of some sorts needs to still be in place. Of course I wouldn't recommend going out and paving it, but there needs to be a foundation and trees/roots cleared for the trucks to get back there. All the trucks driving across are also great for compacting the driveway so when/if he decides to pave it, you find out where your soft spots are and harden them up, plus the trucks themselves do great at hardening the ground and then when you spend all the money in asphalt/cement there's a much lesser chance of it being ruined by ground cave-ins.
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