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    Off-Road Dyed Diesel in PA

    Can anyone in PA buy off-road Dyed Diesel or do you need a license or be a farm or something? I was under the impression anyone could buy it, but someone just told me you need a license to buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashxx View Post
    Can anyone in PA buy off-road Dyed Diesel or do you need a license or be a farm or something? I was under the impression anyone could buy it, but someone just told me you need a license to buy it.
    Anyone can buy it.

    I buy it in bulk and have it delivered when I get my home heating fuel. You have to pay PA sales tax on it unless you are a farm and have the proper paperwork.

    You can buy it at a lot of mini marts and gas stations around here - just fill your jugs like you would anything else.
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    As Coaltrain said, anyone can buy it. There is a Turkey Hill not far from here that has off road diesel available at one of their pumps.
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    Hmmm... I don't live in PA and hopefully one of our PA members knows the exact answer but, according to The PA Dept. Of Revenue page, everyone pays the tax when buying off-road fuel. People who have a valid qualifying business can then claim a reimbursement of the tax for fuel purchased.

    What is the Motor Fuels Dyed Fuel Program?

    So it sounds like anyone should be able to buy it. But there doesn't seem to be any point in buying it for anyone that doesn't have a qualifying business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimR View Post
    Hmmm... I don't live in PA and hopefully one of our PA members knows the exact answer but, according to The PA Dept. Of Revenue page, everyone pays the tax when buying off-road fuel. People who have a valid qualifying business can then claim a reimbursement of the tax for fuel purchased.

    What is the Motor Fuels Dyed Fuel Program?

    So it sounds like anyone should be able to buy it. But there doesn't seem to be any point in buying it for anyone that doesn't have a qualifying business.
    Hmmm... not quite sure what they would be referring to. Perhaps they mean a farmer can get reimbursed for taxes paid on road diesel. At the Turkey Hill mentioned above the diesel at the "off road" pump is significantly less expensive than the "on road" diesel pump located just 30 yards away.

    The ONLY point in buying it is because of the cheaper price due to no road use tax. As you know, here in PA we have the highest gas taxes in the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgayman View Post
    As you know, here in PA we have the highest gas taxes in the nation.
    Huh! And all this time I thought Michigan had that honor ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgayman View Post
    Hmmm... not quite sure what they would be referring to. Perhaps they mean a farmer can get reimbursed for taxes paid on road diesel. At the Turkey Hill mentioned above the diesel at the "off road" pump is significantly less expensive than the "on road" diesel pump located just 30 yards away.

    The ONLY point in buying it is because of the cheaper price due to no road use tax. As you know, here in PA we have the highest gas taxes in the nation.
    Off-road fuels are exempt from the federal excise tax, which is 24.4 cents per gallon of diesel. Any exemption from local sales and use taxes is on a state-by-state basis. If the use is exempt from these local taxes (the rules are really complicated and of course vary by state), then you either present a tax exempt certificate to the vendor (a futile exercise at 99% of fuel retailers) to avoid paying the tax at sale time, or claim a credit for the expense on your state tax return at tax filing time.

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    Ok, thank you all! I can only find one place near me that is in Clinton, PA. It a little out of the way though. Then I was just told you need a license to buy it and that wasn't my understanding. But they make stuff so confusing to me on that PA page that someone else linked. But that got me thinking about the tax. It being federally less may be why it is then cheaper at the pump than regular diesel. Then greedy PA still get their tax and the farmers/etc have the option to claim it during taxes. That makes sense to me but I'm surprised the federal government doesn't do the same thing!

    I never stopped by to see what the price was or how it compared to regular diesel. I just called them a couple of months ago when I first started looking at subcompacts and they are the only ones I can find with off-road diesel and just assumed everyone could buy it with very little tax. I don't want to pay regular diesel tax as I believe its like $3.30 or so. Regular gas at the moment is $2.49 or $2.59 I seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cashxx View Post
    Ok, thank you all! I can only find one place near me that is in Clinton, PA. It a little out of the way though. Then I was just told you need a license to buy it and that wasn't my understanding. But they make stuff so confusing to me on that PA page that someone else linked. But that got me thinking about the tax. It being federally less may be why it is then cheaper at the pump than regular diesel. Then greedy PA still get their tax and the farmers/etc have the option to claim it during taxes. That makes sense to me but I'm surprised the federal government doesn't do the same thing!

    I never stopped by to see what the price was or how it compared to regular diesel. I just called them a couple of months ago when I first started looking at subcompacts and they are the only ones I can find with off-road diesel and just assumed everyone could buy it with very little tax. I don't want to pay regular diesel tax as I believe its like $3.30 or so. Regular gas at the moment is $2.49 or $2.59 I seen.
    I'll offer a counter point. How much diesel fuel do you think you will use annually? Myself, since I don't use my tractor for mowing grass I find I only use about 10 gallons a year if I'm lucky. As such, even though there is a station nearby that sells off-road fuel I choose to use on-road diesel from a convenience store station that is only 5-miles from me. Unlike the off-road station, this station has very high car and truck volume and I've never had issues even in the dead of winter with dirt or water in my fuel. I'm sure if I was burning 100+ gallons a year I would probably consider other sources but for my uses the readily available on-road juice fills the bill.
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