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    Why do John Deere CUTs seem to have smaller wheels/tires than competitors?

    I've been stopping by at various tractor dealerships to see what they have available (planning for the future), and outside of Kubota, what I immediately noticed is how much larger the rear wheels/tires seem to be on brands like Massey, TYM/RK and New Holland. Their lots seem to go from subcompacts with the ubiquitous lawn/garden sized wheels/tires, to tractors whose rear tires go up to my sternum (so about 50"). To get wheels/tires that big, you have to go to a 4 or 5 series Deere, but these machines are more comparable to 3 or even large frame 2 in terms of price, HP, lift capacity and other features.

    Anyone know why this is?
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    Big tires sell!
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    As for the 1-series - they are marketed to mostly home owners and small property owners. These people mostly are coming from lawn tractors. So as not to make these tractors intimidating to them they keep the tires small to make it look not so much as a real tractor.
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    New Hollands small Workmaster SCUT has tires pretty much the same size as the 1-series.



    Massey's SCUT has about the same size tires as well.



    Same with TYM

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    Yeah, I know SCUTs do, which is why I called their tire size ubiquitous. But, interestingly enough, TYM/RK/Mahindra have two SCUT sizes, the larger of which has 29" tires.

    As for the rest, is it really just as simple as big tires sell? Does that mean that JD will start putting larger tires on their CUTs as the others eat away at their market share? Because they haven't yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltrain View Post
    As for the 1-series - they are marketed to mostly home owners and small property owners. These people mostly are coming from lawn tractors. So as not to make these tractors intimidating to them they keep the tires small to make it look not so much as a real tractor.
    That annoyed me greatly when I realized it. The one thing I didn't like about that tractor was put there to manipulate people into buying it and for no other reason. I hate it.

    In fact, that is why I am asking this question. Do JD and Kubota put 36"/37" tires on the 2 and B series tractors for the same reason? "See it's not THAT big, don't be scared!" Because the large frame 2 is heavier than the 3E series and is only "smaller" because of its tire size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike01 View Post
    That annoyed me greatly when I realized it. The one thing I didn't like about that tractor was put there to manipulate people into buying it and for no other reason. I hate it.

    In fact, that is why I am asking this question. Do JD and Kubota put 36"/37" tires on the 2 and B series tractors for the same reason? "See it's not THAT big, don't be scared!" Because the large frame 2 is heavier than the 3E series and is only "smaller" because of its tire size.
    Ha! isn't that marketing 101?

    The 1 series filled a big hole. It put a great little general purpose machine into peoples hands that the 2305 just couldn't quite fill. I would have bought a 1 series for sure 13 years ago when I bought my x748--if they would have been invented.

    Smaller front tires equate to a tighter turn radius. which is handy for SCUTs and CUTs. I'm with jgayman though, I'm not noticing much difference across the brands.

    When you start getting into the 5 series, load capacity starts to become more important than a tight turn radius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arlen View Post
    Ha! isn't that marketing 101?

    The 1 series filled a big hole. It put a great little general purpose machine into peoples hands that the 2305 just couldn't quite fill. I would have bought a 1 series for sure 13 years ago when I bought my x748--if they would have been invented.

    Smaller front tires equate to a tighter turn radius. which is handy for SCUTs and CUTs. I'm with jgayman though, I'm not noticing much difference across the brands.

    When you start getting into the 5 series, load capacity starts to become more important than a tight turn radius.

    The 2025R (new one, and maybe older one too) has almost the same turning radius as the 1025R. Like, a couple of inches apart (I measured it in the same patch of dirt). Outside of bragging rights, there is no practical way (as in real world utility) in which that can make a difference unless you are turning your tractor around in such a tight space that 1-3" is going to get you hung up. But that has 31" tires. You can actually fit 28" or maybe even 29" tires into the 1 series without modification. TYM/RK/Mahindra have a SCUT with 29" tires.

    As for seeing difference across the brands, I specifically said I was not discussing SCUTs. Outside of SCUTs Massey, New Holland and a few other brands' 3R series competitor sits on significantly larger tires. I can't find the specs online, but in person they appeared to be about 50" compared to the Deere's 43".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJR832 View Post
    I'm beginning to wonder why you chose green to begin with.
    Because the overall level of quality and ergonomics is superior to the competition. But that doesn't make Deere perfect. It just means they do more things right than the other guys.
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