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    OK...Ballast is a real thing....

    I had 10 yards of black dirt that I had to move around as part of my yard rehab project. Yesterday, I noted that a full bucket of dirt made that 1023E really squirrely driving across the yard. So first thing this morning after I got home from work, I put the brand new ballast box (that I bought because everyone here on GTT kept talking about how important they are) on the iMatch and took it back to the corner where I have a nice pile of pea rock....shoveled it into the BB and the drove over to where my son had delivered the dirt. This was the maiden voyage of the ballast box. I confess...although I intellectually understood the concept of ballast on these tractors, I'm a total noob at tractors and I was shocked at the difference that that ballast made in the handling and the safety of that little 1023E. Today I moved about 7 yards if dirt and it went perfectly (and safely).

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    YES someone finally listened to what we told them ....

    Glad to hear , all is safe.


    As you said using ballast makes a world of difference, plus it saves your tractor , and possibly you if tractor rolls on its side.
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    The important thing is not how you learn, but that you learn. Good work.

    For me I wish for some scales so I can figure the correct ballast accurately. Just call me OCD.
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    Yep. Makes a major difference

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    Should feel a big difference in ability to penetrate the pile with the front bucket with ballast as well.
    These little machines sure make the yard chores a lot easier eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B View Post
    Should feel a big difference in ability to penetrate the pile with the front bucket with ballast as well.
    These little machines sure make the yard chores a lot easier eh?
    Y'know....now that you mention, I did see that. The buckets today were noticeably fuller. I thought it was because I was just getting better, but I think you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCool View Post
    ... I intellectually understood the concept of ballast on these tractors, I'm a total noob at tractors and I was shocked at the difference that that ballast made in the handling and the safety of that little 1023E. ...
    I know what you mean, sometimes it just takes a little real world experience to have the "a ha" moment that convinces you of what you already know, and then it becomes part of you.

    I'm an engineer, I understand *intellectually* the importance of ballast, statics and dynamics, etc., but that doesn't mean that I won't push the envelope a bit until that epiphany occurs. Last year I was unloading a rear finish mower from my truck without ballast (it was just a quick move after all), all was fine until I decided to get off and push the load a little sideways to "balance" it on the forks and nearly tipped the whole thing over! I still didn't learn my lesson and proceeded to move it to the backyard, still without ballast, and the rear tires were spinning, I had to use the diff lock just to move on level ground! -- OK, I got it. The laws of physics aren't suspended just because I'm in a hurry. I now go through the trouble of ballasting each and every time. Much safer, and more satisfying.
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    Should be written on the wall somewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by marlinguidegun View Post
    I know what you mean, sometimes it just takes a little real world experience to have the "a ha" moment that convinces you of what you already know, and then it becomes part of you.

    I'm an engineer, I understand *intellectually* the importance of ballast, statics and dynamics, etc., but that doesn't mean that I won't push the envelope a bit until that epiphany occurs. Last year I was unloading a rear finish mower from my truck without ballast (it was just a quick move after all), all was fine until I decided to get off and push the load a little sideways to "balance" it on the forks and nearly tipped the whole thing over! I still didn't learn my lesson and proceeded to move it to the backyard, still without ballast, and the rear tires were spinning, I had to use the diff lock just to move on level ground! -- OK, I got it. The laws of physics aren't suspended just because I'm in a hurry. I now go through the trouble of ballasting each and every time. Much safer, and more satisfying.
    "The laws of physics aren't suspended just because I'm in a hurry" should be on a sticker on tractors, in the manual and written on the wall of tractor storage. It's just a perfect reminder to us all.

    Thank you.

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    A tractor has no suspension like a car or truck, so front axle has a pivot point in the center to allow the front tires to move up and down and all four wheels to stay on the ground as you go over slightly uneven terrain. That pivot means the rear tires are almost solely responsible to maintain side to side stability.

    The heavier you load the loader bucket, the more weight you put on the front tires but take off of the rear tires. That can leave the tractor kinda balancing on the front axle, both front to rear but more importantly side to side on that pivot point. The higher you lift the heavy loader bucket, the more that few inches of pivot becomes amplified, a few inches of pivot down at the frame can become a couple feet of side to side motion on the raised loader bucket. It's literally a recipe for instability.

    Rear ballast is VERY important when using a loader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marlinguidegun View Post
    The laws of physics aren't suspended just because I'm in a hurry.
    Perfect!

    Quote Originally Posted by Treefarmer View Post
    "The laws of physics aren't suspended just because I'm in a hurry" should be on a sticker on tractors, in the manual and written on the wall of tractor storage. It's just a perfect reminder to us all.
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