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    Starting in netural on 1025R

    I've been trying to understand why Deere makes an issue out of starting the tractor in neutral on hi and low. Most all the other hydrostatic mowers and the like never had this lockout. Defintely can see reasoning on stick shifts even though historically some tractors didn't have this. The tractor itself is in neutral without any pedals pushed. My 4400 stick shift will start in final gear. But not without reverser being in neutral which is understandable...I know they are thinking safety but is this overkill. No puns intended.

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    If the pedals are out of adjustment it will move. Lots of posts here about tractor creep without touching the pedals.

    Not a big deal. After 15 or so years with these tractors I automatically put it in neutral before shutting down without even thinking about it.
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    Odd. Most other hydrostatic tractors Ive run have had the same thing, unless it was bypassed.
    Every zero turn Ive ever seen has to also be in neutral too (control levers out to the sides).
    They, all manufacturers, want to be sure that an operator is present and in control when its started. They REALLY dont want any liability from someone starting a tractor "in gear" and having it start rolling one way or another causing an injury or death, and the way they do that is neutral starts.
    As someone else mentioned, they all will tend to creep at some point, and they cant if they are in neutral.

    Im actually surprised they dont require the brake to be on.
    Given what weve seen here with peoples tractors rolling away from them, that might be a good idea for some.

    Think of it this way.
    Lowest common denominator. Weakest link. Etc.
    They plan for the worst.
    For those of use that maintain our equipment and make sure there are no out of adjustment issues, its a non-issue, and we could all get by forever with no safetys and have no issues.
    For those that abuse their stuff and dont know much about how they really work, its probably saved them and they dont even know it.
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    Looking back at older gear tractors - probably one of the most common injuries is from starting a tractor from the ground. That is where the operator presence comes in that Indiana Jim talks of.

    I am really guilty of this - but being my tractor needs to be in neutral to start gives some protection....
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    I have a friend who is lucky to be alive. He always leaves his backhoe in neutral when he leaves work at night. One night however someone came in after hours and used his backhoe leaving it in gear. Buddy came into work in the morning and went to start his hoe from the ground as he usually did. The hoe started in forward gear and the back tire ran over him before he could get out of the way. It happened in the fall and the ground was fairly soft, and it had a little give to it otherwise this story would have a very diffrent ending. He was just very sore and bruised for a long time. Those safety switches are there for those times, and those people who take things for granted and crap happens. I'll bet Buddy wishes his hoe had a neutral switch.
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    Starting something in neutral or park IMHO, is the way everything should be! Unless you are in the operators seat it shouldn't start either! Another little safety deal is the brake pedal, as on my X390! Tractor will not start unless the pedal is fully depressed! I know there is overkill to a very minimal point, but most safety features are a good thing for our well-being!
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    i have 4 tractors made between 1980 and 2015, two of them hydrostatic and two of them gear transmissions, every one of them was made with a neutral safety switch (3 still functional).
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    My e-hydro 3039R will start with the range selector in gear and without anyone in the seat.
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    There was a time when a reasonable portion of the population was either raised on a farm or like in my case, spent their summers and holidays on my grandparents farm. This means these people were exposed to equipment at a young age and likely grew up having already driven a manual transmission vehicle by time you were 12 years old (or even much sooner). You had driven tractors, knew enough to stay away from spinning PTO shafts and the that revolving blades are dangerous, kill people and throw things.

    Just as there was a time when virtually everyone knew how to properly put a saddle and harness on horses to either pull a carriage, a wagon or ride it as a means of transportation, today, I bet less than 2% of the general public could do the same. What was once a basic skill, is no longer. Soon, equipment operation will be much the same way. Its the direction we are headed and some even call it progress.

    Fast forward to a society where people are walking in front of moving vehicles, they fall in open holes, they crash head on into innocent people from having crossed the center lines of roads. Much of this happens because of their use of so called "smart devices" to which they are so emotionally tethered to their electronic devices, they don't dare not check to see what the latest tweet from a twit is sharing with the world.

    Common sense is no longer common, peoples experience around equipment is woefully inadequate and its rapidly getting worse. Why do manufacturers have to focus on making machines as safe as possible? Since most likely never have been shown and trusted to operate something correctly, the manufacturer must make machines with levels of safety protections to protect those who never were shown and allowed to properly and safely operate equipment.

    There is a new trend that I see among many young people, which absolutely stuns me,. When I was growing up, you took Driver Education when you were 15 years old. In fact, 47% of all 16 year olds had their drivers license in 1983. In 2014, that percentage is now down to 24%.

    The large scale result is you have people less and less qualified to operate machinery. Now, add in the autonomous driving vehicle technology and you have people who no longer feel THEY are responsible for the vehicles operation, because the "technology is supposed to safely operate the vehicle." The recent severe crash involving a Tesla found the owner / driver of the car was "eating breakfast" and had trusted the car would "drive itself". Well, it did drive itself, right into the back of a stopped semi truck..............

    And so it goes..................Expect more machinery to have more and more safety equipment because the reality is machinery operators are less skilled, less experienced and less willing to accept personal responsibility for their own actions as time passes. With the proliferation of "1-800-Sue-Them" personal enrichment lawyers (excuse me, personal injury attorneys) this will only further escalate the liability issues and expand the use of safety devices on machinery to protect people from themselves.

    Think about it, 50 years from now, people won't be driving cars and trucks. They will merely be passengers in their own vehicles. The skills of machinery operation will decline rapidly among the general public and it will make operating such things as tractors and mowers even less common among the population. It will reach a point where those who purchase equipment will likely have to undergo one on one instructions to operate the equipment. Or they will run it with the smart phone while sitting in the house.
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    my 955 starts in any range off the seat..kinda handy.

    Enjoy the ride now as the new ones got no seat.


    I wonder how you move them in the shop for maintenance........? I guess you could hang a saddle on one.

    No rops to smash your garage door.

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