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    Whole house filters

    We have hard water and are looking to remedy the situation and go to a whole house water filter / conditioner. We are on county water.

    Who recommends what?
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    Similar situation here, water is hard & on the acidic side, been holding off for no good reason since we moved here 25 years ago. Will be paying attention to the responses!
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    Quote Originally Posted by psrumors View Post
    We have hard water and are looking to remedy the situation and go to a whole house water filter / conditioner. We are on county water.

    Who recommends what?
    I use a water softener that was installed by a local dealer that sells them. Been using it now for about 13 years. I had one in the last house I had. One thing I learned about it was to get one that regenerates based on the amount of water you use, NOT time based. Time based wastes water. Time based regens are based on amount of days to regen. It does not matter how much or little water you use. Where the usage based machines will regen after so many gallons used. You will need your water tested to see what type of conditioner you need. They are easy to maintain, fill the brine tank with salt and let it do it's thing. When the brine tank gets low, clean it out and do it over again. Oh one more thing, some states require you to put the flush tube, this is where your filter, when the systems back flushes your filter to clean, will expel your dirty filter water when it regens. They require you to put the tube down your drain someplace to go into your septic tank. My former one dumped it on the ground. Nothing ever grew there for a long ways. Salt just kills it off.
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    Last few places I've lived I put in both a whole house water filter and a softner. I pickup both up from the HomeDepot, GE brand. I didn't, but getting the water tested is a good idea - you can buy "Send In" kits, or request one from your local government (DEQ). I think most of the new units are "Use based" regen, so they'll only regen if they need to. Anyone with an old time based softner should definitely look into switching to a use based unit to save tons on buying salt.

    I've heard you don't want the flush going into septic because the high salt concentration kills the good bacteria.
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    I have owned Kinetico systems in a couple houses in the past. I wish I had one in my current house. They make an extensive line of water treatment products. Their softeners operate flawlessly with no electricity required and are volume metered.
    I consider them a premium brand with a long lifespan, I also work for a company that supplies a variety of machined components to them.
    They will cost you a pretty penny.
    There corporate headquarters is in Newbury, Ohio. About 15 minutes from my house.
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    Moved in our house in 1982,,
    installed a water softener in 1983.

    we have LOTS of limestone under our home,,,

    About once a decade, I went to Sears, and picked up a new one.
    I never paid over $350,, they have been great.

    The softeners are like a cheap push mower,, at ten years, it is cheaper to replace than fix.

    We have one faucet outside, plumbed to deliver un-softened water,
    that water is used for watering the garden,,, etc.

    With limestone hard water, you can not have acid water,,
    the limestone would neutralize the acid.

    A water softener ONLY corrects the hardness,, nothing else.
    If you have sulfur,, or iron,,, etc,,, another unit beyond the softener will be needed.
    I have no filter experience,,, never had one,,,
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    It has been a few years since we lived on a well. The water was very good and plenty of it, but very hard. We had the same frustrations that everyone else has with hard water. My wife and I had been talking about a water softener system and had even obtained several quotes. Like everyone, we were concerned about killing the septic system.

    One day I was looking through the monthly magazine published by the rural electric association. There was an ad for a magnetic water conditioner. It was basically a large magnet that you strapped around the incoming water pipe. My gut reaction was that this was about the hokiest product I had ever seen. How the heck was this going to get the minerals out of the water?

    I called the number in the ad not because I wanted one, but because I wanted to give the guy a hard time for offering something so hokey. As I recall, the pair of magnets cost about $175 (25 years ago). Apparently he was quite prepared for people planning to give him a hard time. He simply said that you had to try it to believe in it. And he offered to send it to me with no money up front to try for 90 days. He didn't want our credit card number. He even paid the shipping, and I think he said he would pay the return shipping as well if we didn't like it. He said we could just send him a check when we were satisfied with how well it worked. Talk about the deal you can't refuse.

    It was easy to install. Might have taken all of 5 minutes. My wife and I were both ready to send him the check after using the product for 3 weeks.

    We very quickly noticed the clothes were brighter in the wash, there weren't water spots on the dishes, the water felt better and soap worked better in the shower. For a few weeks we had to periodically clean the screens in the faucets. They were clogging up with the minerals this thing was removing from the insides of our pipes. This was the only "maintenance" required for this type of water conditioner, and it was short-lived.

    A good friend of mine, one of the finer engineers I ever worked with, also bought one. He also had excellent results. He commented that there are some things that we may never know exactly how they work, but its okay to use them because they do work. After installing this water conditioner, we felt that our hard water issue was completely settled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B View Post
    I have owned Kinetico systems in a couple houses in the past. I wish I had one in my current house. They make an extensive line of water treatment products. Their softeners operate flawlessly with no electricity required and are volume metered.
    I consider them a premium brand with a long lifespan, I also work for a company that supplies a variety of machined components to them.
    They will cost you a pretty penny.
    There corporate headquarters is in Newbury, Ohio. About 15 minutes from my house.
    I put the kinetico system on our well as soon as we moved in two years ago. I don't know how the previous owners lived here for about 9 years without it. The water smelled so bad it was hard to take a shower without getting sickened from it. The system has the brine tank that uses very little salt and also an in line filter that I change twice a month but it runs flawlessly. It cost $4500.00 to put in but it really does a good job cleaning up our water. As stated, it requires no electricity to run and regens only when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    getting the water tested is a good idea - you can buy "Send In" kits, or request one from your local government (DEQ).
    That's critical. I lived on a well for 30 years and misused and misapplied any and all filters because I never officially tested the water until years later. Then I researched the filter methods and bought a filter system that actually worked for my issues (tannins). The filter itself is simple; tank, Fleck valve and then the proper media depending on your issue. The valve is where the expense is so watch out for stupid expensive systems. They mostly all work the same; back wash through media with a water softener to boot.

    We now have rural water (again, first time not having well water in 30 years) but we still use a filter; media is carbon to get rid of some of the occasional smell we get from the treatment plant. And it doesn't hurt our septic. Our system came from Pelican. I liked their explanation of what media treated what.

    But, first get your water tested. It's easy and cheap and will save you a lot of trial and error.
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    When we built or house almost two years ago we had he well water tested and it was a little hard and had some iron in it.

    Our plumber suggested an Eductor which introduced oxygen to remove the iron and then a softener. The softener would have taken care of both but it would have to regenerate a lot more. I think I go through a bag of salt every month and a half the way it is now.

    The system came from these people.

    http://www.aquat.com/

    I must say it works extremely well. No stains on the tub or toilets. And just keep the salt tank full.



    Softener is on the left then the eductor.

    Our old neighbor had a kenitico system that worked well and he liked. They are pretty expensive though.

    As others have stated. Get a water test first. Then you know what you’re dealing with.




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