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    Grinder Pump Tank Cracked

    Two weeks in the new house and had water in the basement after 8 inches of rain in three days. At first I didn’t realize where it was coming from but as more came in we figured it out. The basement toilet was the culprit.

    First house with a Grinder pump so went to see the neighbor at 7pm on a Friday night and he had the number to a gentleman that worked for the township. He said same thing happened about two months ago and lady I bought the house from called a plumber. He had a company pump the grinder tank out and they found a huge crack around the bottom with ground water running in. They quoted her 10k to fix. Pump $2,500 is burned up from moving all the ground water. He hooked me up with the excavatior the township uses. The ex stirs has unexpected surgery next week s he can’t do the job but knew the original excavator who did all of the site work including the 1,000 gal inground propane tank 5ft from grinder pump tank.

    I have to call him to come out Monday and scope out digging it up. Luckily we have the rental house to live in while we get all of this fixed.

    I am thinking of rigging a sump pump to take the ground water off the top of he grinder pump tank so it can’t get High enough to flood the basement intil we pull it. Also if we can figure out where the sewer pipe runs under the floor in the basement I would like to put a back flow preventer on the basement bathroom.

    Luckily except for the bathroom only unfinished part had water where it spread out and ran to sump pump hole.

    And yes will contact my realtor Monday on any recourse with previous owner.

    The joys of buying a new home. I did learn from the township person that the ladies significant other that built the house was a mason. And that the one of the fireplaces in the house, The corner details, and basement stonework are from stones on the property. We have big piles of cleared field sandstone on three sides of the property.

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    That's a beautiful looking house, sorry to hear your having issues already-wow that would burn me up!
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    Wow, that place looks beautiful. If the PO knew, the realtor would be a short conversation for me. The longer one would be with the lawyer. Keep track of all your costs.
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    MDrew is correct.
    If the homeowner knew, and you can prove it, which you should be able to fairly easily, they are responsible.
    I assume your home inspection didnt show this as a problem.
    If you fix it, make sure you keep receipts, but also document everything, who you talked to and when, what they said, etc.
    My first call would be to my realtor, and let them know what you now know, and see if they want to contact the previous owner. Sometimes these things end up being as easy as a phone call to get fixed in your favor, sometimes it takes attorneys.


    Generally, the grinder pump is for the toilet, but if you have a sewage line running through the basement, why not tie into that?
    Its possible Im not quite getting the whole picture here, as it sounds like the tank is very large.
    Is this a whole house system? Ive not seen anything like that around here, so Im curious.
    If it is a whole house system, Id think the home inspector should have evaluated it during the inspection, or recommended a professional do so if he/she couldnt.
    Then again, not everyone uses home inspectors...
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    You sir sound worse off than us. We moved into a new home (sold our first starter home after 3yrs and wanted a little more house with a few amenities and some property). 3 days in the lifting cable for a garage door snapped, none of my security lights works, i've got a couple thermal pane windows with bad seals and the master bath shower has a piece of packaging tape covering a crack/chip at waist height. Certainly cheaper issues and not nearly as intrusive but they still suck.

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    That sucks Meager. As others have said, document the crap out of everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJim View Post
    Then again, not everyone uses home inspectors...
    Not every state licenses home inspectors. In Colonrado I'm protected from a bad haircut because barbers and stylists have to be state licensed; but home inspectors do not. Anybody can put a gun rack in the back window of their pickup, hang a 4' level on it and call themselves a home inspector. A bad haircut will grow out in a couple of weeks; while a shoddy or even dishonest home inspector can queer a deal worth hundreds of thousands of dollars or give a buyer a false sense of security that they aren't buying a POS. I'm not a fan of over regulation; but since home inspectors have so much influence on real estate transactions here; I think they should be licensed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nastorino View Post
    3 days in the lifting cable for a garage door snapped, none of my security lights works, i've got a couple thermal pane windows with bad seals and the master bath shower has a piece of packaging tape covering a crack/chip at waist height. Certainly cheaper issues and not nearly as intrusive but they still suck.

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    Oh crap, that sounds like Casa Lemon as I call our place. Was yours built by a turd named Matt W.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeagerHair View Post
    Two weeks in the new house and had water in the basement after 8 inches of rain in three days. At first I didnít realize where it was coming from but as more came in we figured it out. The basement toilet was the culprit.

    First house with a Grinder pump so went to see the neighbor at 7pm on a Friday night and he had the number to a gentleman that worked for the township. He said same thing happened about two months ago and lady I bought the house from called a plumber. He had a company pump the grinder tank out and they found a huge crack around the bottom with ground water running in. They quoted her 10k to fix. Pump $2,500 is burned up from moving all the ground water. He hooked me up with the excavatior the township uses. The ex stirs has unexpected surgery next week s he canít do the job but knew the original excavator who did all of the site work including the 1,000 gal inground propane tank 5ft from grinder pump tank.

    I have to call him to come out Monday and scope out digging it up. Luckily we have the rental house to live in while we get all of this fixed.

    I am thinking of rigging a sump pump to take the ground water off the top of he grinder pump tank so it canít get High enough to flood the basement intil we pull it. Also if we can figure out where the sewer pipe runs under the floor in the basement I would like to put a back flow preventer on the basement bathroom.

    Luckily except for the bathroom only unfinished part had water where it spread out and ran to sump pump hole.

    And yes will contact my realtor Monday on any recourse with previous owner.

    The joys of buying a new home. I did learn from the township person that the ladies significant other that built the house was a mason. And that the one of the fireplaces in the house, The corner details, and basement stonework are from stones on the property. We have big piles of cleared field sandstone on three sides of the property.

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    Wow, love the stone work!
    Feel free to post some more pics of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjncad View Post
    That sucks Meager. As others have said, document the crap out of everything.



    Not every state licenses home inspectors. In Colonrado I'm protected from a bad haircut because barbers and stylists have to be state licensed; but home inspectors do not. Anybody can put a gun rack in the back window of their pickup, hang a 4' level on it and call themselves a home inspector. A bad haircut will grow out in a couple of weeks; while a shoddy or even dishonest home inspector can queer a deal worth hundreds of thousands of dollars or give a buyer a false sense of security that they aren't buying a POS. I'm not a fan of over regulation; but since home inspectors have so much influence on real estate transactions here; I think they should be licensed.



    Oh crap, that sounds like Casa Lemon as I call our place. Was yours built by a turd named Matt W.?

    Here its required. I am one actually.
    It amazes me how some guys not only stay in business, but remain pretty busy, with the lousy work they do.
    Licensing doesnt completely fix it, but it does help. The biggest issue is, once a house is inspected, you dont find out until later that you had a bad one. By then, its generally too late to do anything. Then you get people that know nothing at all about homes, their construction, systems, etc, and they might not find out for quite some time.
    Having had a bad one cost us big years ago, from someone I thought I could trust, well, I figure if he can do it, a trained monkey could probably do better, and it wouldnt be too hard to be a lot more upfront and helpful to the buyer than a couple around here are.
    Sorry you guys are having these issues. Having had surprises myself, its not fun at all.
    In my case, it cost me $6500 to fix the situation, and had it been pointed out as the major issue it was, instead of something minor and not worth messing with, the seller would have been required to fix it.
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    Two questions:

    Was this issue covered in the sellers disclosure?

    Did you or the seller purchase a home warranty?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJim View Post
    Generally, the grinder pump is for the toilet, but if you have a sewage line running through the basement, why not tie into that?
    Its possible Im not quite getting the whole picture here, as it sounds like the tank is very large.
    Is this a whole house system? Ive not seen anything like that around here, so Im curious.
    If it is a whole house system, Id think the home inspector should have evaluated it during the inspection, or recommended a professional do so if he/she couldnt.
    Then again, not everyone uses home inspectors...
    Whole house systems aren't real common but they exist. If the lot is sloped and the septic system is located uphill from the house, what else can ya do?

    I have a pump in my septic tank. The tank itself is slightly downhill from the house but my leach field is at the other end of the lot up on top of a small hill. So the pump is there to send the liquid uphill to where it needs to go. It's in it's own chamber in the septic tank and will hold enough that it usually only needs to kick on for a couple of minutes every 3 or 4 days.

    Home inspectors usually won't even look at something like that and may not even have known that it existed. They just put boilerplate "Have the septic system inspected by a professional..." lingo in their report. (Same with the chimneys!)

    I walked around with the inspector that looked at our place before we bought it and the only tool he had with him was a screwdriver and the only time he used it was to take the cover off the circuit breaker boxes. He used a circuit tester on every outlet in the house, tested every GFCI outlet, every smoke detector and a bunch of other stuff but if there was something that he couldn't look at without opening something, he referred it to a specialist in the report.
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