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    Garage Lighting

    I thought I would start a separate thread from my garage build. That is over here.

    New Garage Build

    Anyhow, we are getting ready to start the electrical and have some decisions. Mainly we are looking at lighting. I was originally thinking LED lights like I installed in my shop/polebarn. Overall I am happy with the light output but my biggest concern with an LED fixture is what to do long term when one fails. If it is just one light, no big deal swap it out with a new one. However if I have 10 or 15 of them, are they still available or what issues will I have. For instance the ones in the shop are all linked together. Are the replacements compatible?

    This has me thinking that I might want to go a different route.

    Right now I am leaning toward going with florescent fixtures, probably a double bulb T8. Then install the LED replacement bulbs. I haven't ever used these before. What are the thoughts on this? I still need to come up with a number of fixtures but I am thinking I will do two banks as I am a little concerned about the difference between general lighting for just going out to the vehicle and wanting more light for working on something out there. Because of this I am thinking half the lights on a 4 way switch to cover all points of entry and the other half on a 3 way to cover the door going into the house and one closer to where I would envision working on things on the other end of the garage.

    The other thing is exterior lighting. We have three exterior doors with the project (2 access doors and a patio door) and three garage doors (2- 9x9 and 1- 10x9). The roofline is so there is a soffit directly over all these doors with the exception of one of the access doors. We do have a large Metal Halide yard light not far that will cover all access locations (other than the patio door) so actual light isn't needed that much. It is more to satisfy the code requirement than anything.

    Since there are soffits there we are leaning toward a cleaner look and go with soffit lights. I am thinking something like a 4" gimbal mount can with an LED bulb. I know I need to find one that is IC rated but something like this might work.

    4 LED Gimbal Recessed Lighting New Consturction Renovation

    The one thing I would like to do with the soffit light is to illuminate the posts that divide the single garage doors. That is why I am looking at the gimbal style so the light can be directed back at the divider. Thinking this will illuminate it better when backing into a garage stall where you are using your mirrors. I guess the biggest concern is if these will provide enough useful light. The contractor mentioned they are more accent light than usable light. I explained we are going to have other light in the area with the dusk to dawn yard light.

    Here is a shot of the garage where you can see all the openings other than the patio door which is around the back side which will be coming out of the mud room to the patio that will be poured behind the garage.

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    Dusk-to-Dawn, Motion sensor controlled...

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    Note: Lights in garage door openers give off quite a bit of light.
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    I'm not sure if the appearance would be acceptable to you, but these are really bright and easy to install in a standard keyless fixture.




    https://www.menards.com/main/electri...7834580445.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo2 View Post
    Dusk-to-Dawn, Motion sensor controlled...

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    Note: Lights in garage door openers give off quite a bit of light.
    We may not have garage door opener lighting. We are going with Liftmaster 8500W jackshaft openers. These do come with a LED cloud light that you would install somewhere on the ceiling but unless they make me put them up (code) I probably won't. I will be looking at motion activation for one of the banks of lights.

    With your lights are those LED or incandescent? I am thinking about spacing them on the dividers rather than in the middle like what you have. Though I suspect your position will illuminate the opening like I am looking for. Do the cans have a light sensor for the dusk/dawn or do you have a sensor somewhere else for that? Ultimately that might not matter much as I am looking at running Home Assistant/Google Home/ZWave stuff for home automation out there. So I can trigger Dusk/Dawn based on that but it will work off sunset/sunrise time which should be fine.

    I can't find a picture of exactly what I am thinking but this is close.

    http://weddingsarees.co/wp-content/u...chen-light.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN3046 View Post
    I'm not sure if the appearance would be acceptable to you, but these are really bright and easy to install in a standard keyless fixture.




    https://www.menards.com/main/electri...7834580445.htm
    Would something like that go in a regular bulb type fixture? I am not sure I will have any of those in the build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sennister View Post
    Would something like that go in a regular bulb type fixture? I am not sure I will have any of those in the build.
    They do. Screw into a regular bulb socket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN3046 View Post
    They do. Screw into a regular bulb socket.
    Ok.

    For main fixtures I am thinking of something like this.

    Maxlite LSS2XT8USE4803 75303 2 Lamp T8 LED Tube Ready 4 ft Linear Utility Strip Light Fixture Pre-Wired

    Then load them up with T8 LED bulbs.

    https://greenlightdepot.com/collecti...ant=3706824836

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    I guess my point on these is I have no experience with them. The one concern I have is that in the shop/pole barn there is a similar light to this. The difference is that they are fixtures rather than a bulb. I say similar because the fixture has a strip of LED lights and a frosted diffuser like what the bulbs have. What I noticed coming from Florescent tube lights is that they seem to be a little more directional. They cast light straight down meaning the further off to the side you get from them you have less light and more shadows. I suspect these will be the same. To counter this I am thinking about adding more lights. The drawback is too much light which is why I would like to do the 2 banks so I can use only 1/2 lighting when I just need to see to navigate around vehicles and such but yet also be able to crank up the light if I am working out there. While I will still have the shop/pole barn, I envision working out here on winter projects a little more and may heat the pole barn less. Though if a bigger job (need more space) or messy I would be out in the pole barn. For instance in the winter I could see moving the motorcycle lift to the 3rd bay and doing more extensive rebuild projects during non riding months.
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    I've installed a bunch of these fixtures both at home and at work and haven't had any problems with them. They are very low profile and mount very solid, you're not going to knock a bulb out. You can get volume pricing or catch them on sale usually about 10 bucks less.

    In my 32x36 garage at home I have 8' T8 fixtures with four 4' bulbs and I installed LED bulbs. The T8 don't seem quite as bright and the cost is not much cheaper to go this route. I've had several ballast failures in the T8 and 6 fixtures hold about $150 worth of bulbs. I used drop in LED bulbs, you could go with line voltage bulbs that have their own on board electronics to do away with the ballasts, but you'd have to rewire each fixture and those bulbs are more expensive. My favorite part of the LED strips is how small and compact they are.

    After recommending the LED strips to a friend for his new garage, he likes them a lot and purchased more for another shed. He only installed four in his 28x32, with white walls it's very bright.

    You can also get these same fixtures in 2' and 4' fixtures, with single or double row LED's
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    I did my farm pole barn in flourecent, twin 4' tubes, about 5 years before LEDs came down in price. I have too much invested in fixtures and bulbs to change now I paid more per fixture than you can buy a 4' LED for now

    At the house pole barn (wired about 20+ years ago) I went with single bulb fixtures and used 65W flood light bulbs. Over the work benches I had two single 500W halogen lights. I have recently swapped the flood lights to LEDs flood light bulbs. The first ones I bought were "warm" and the light was too yellow. I switched to "daylight" for whiter light.
    I took down the two 500W halogen lights and put up four 4' LED lights to replace them. Over a different bench I had a twin 150W halogen light, I replaced it with a 4' LED light.
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    sennister:
    "With your lights are those LED or incandescent?" → Incandescent (small flood)
    "Do the cans have a light sensor for the dusk/dawn or do you have a sensor somewhere else for that?" ↓↓↓

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