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    MCUT tooth bars are they all created equal?

    Really want a tooth bar for my 4010 as I know I'm going to be playing in the dirt quite a bit. I see a lot of recommendations for the piranha and it looks really aggressive, but it looks like once in wears out you pretty much throw it in the recycle bin and get a new one. The more mechanical looking ones look like they can be repaired pretty easily if a tooth becomes damaged. It seems though the price of the piranha may be low enough that I choose it over the more meaty, less aggressive looking bars.

    So my questions:

    What's the life span of the piranha vs the others?
    On an MCUT am I ever really going to wear the piranha out? I will likely spend 40-60 hours this year with it and then 10-20 afterwords.
    Which ones are more effective digging into southern red clay with lots of rocks?
    Which ones are more effective for getting out brush?
    Do you ever take them off once they are on or do you just leave them?

    Would this work? It's for a skid steer, but it's the right length, has more teeth then the FEL ones and is cheaper. Toothbar
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    IMHO,, if any tooth bar were pushed through dirt for 40 hours,,,
    it would be time to scrap it.

    My tooth bar came from a CAT dealer,,, (for a skid-steer,, I think)
    it was showing significant wear on the teeth after just 2 hours of driveway repair.



    I added abrasion resistant weld to the tooth tips,, and the wear stopped.

    I use my tooth bar pretty hard,,, some days,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnf View Post
    Really want a tooth bar for my 4010 as I know I'm going to be playing in the dirt quite a bit. I see a lot of recommendations for the piranha and it looks really aggressive, but it looks like once in wears out you pretty much throw it in the recycle bin and get a new one. The more mechanical looking ones look like they can be repaired pretty easily if a tooth becomes damaged. It seems though the price of the piranha may be low enough that I choose it over the more meaty, less aggressive looking bars.

    So my questions:

    What's the life span of the piranha vs the others?
    On an MCUT am I ever really going to wear the piranha out? I will likely spend 40-60 hours this year with it and then 10-20 afterwords.
    Which ones are more effective digging into southern red clay with lots of rocks?
    Which ones are more effective for getting out brush?
    Do you ever take them off once they are on or do you just leave them?

    Would this work? It's for a skid steer, but it's the right length, has more teeth then the FEL ones and is cheaper. Toothbar
    i looked at ur toothbar--that is pretty much the same type i built, except fro the teeth, same kind of shanks, and keeper's(little pin to hold tooth on shank)
    I don't think u will wear those teeth out fastif u do--their are better teeth to fit the same size shanks. go for it-buy it and mount. u only to drill a hole on each side of ur bucket. easy to do. show us pics when u get it mounted -ok
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    Big Jim and I have pretty much the same tooth bar - like the one shown in your link. Back when I had mine made there was no such thing as Piranha......

    Over the last 9 or 10 years mine hasn't seen a whole lot of use, but when I need to dig I would never be without it. It should last me my life time as if needed the teeth are replaceable since they are standard backhoe bucket teeth.

    And like Big Jim says - only takes 1 minute or so to put on or take off having just 2 bolts. I usually leave mine on in the summer and off in the winter as I use my bucket for snow removal.

    There is another option which gets great reviews here on the forum - make sure you consider this when making your choice. Also to note that this one does not require any holes to be drilled and does have replaceable teeth. Another fantastic supporting vendor here.

    https://heavyhitch.com/store/toothba...nt-end-loader/

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    I did look at that one too coaltrain. I like the idea of not having to drill. I think I could make that one if I had teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnf View Post
    I think I could make that one if I had teeth.
    Weld-on shanks and teeth are available from several sources if you want to build your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnf View Post
    Really want a tooth bar for my 4010 as I know I'm going to be playing in the dirt quite a bit. I see a lot of recommendations for the piranha and it looks really aggressive, but it looks like once in wears out you pretty much throw it in the recycle bin and get a new one. The more mechanical looking ones look like they can be repaired pretty easily if a tooth becomes damaged. It seems though the price of the piranha may be low enough that I choose it over the more meaty, less aggressive looking bars.

    So my questions:

    What's the life span of the piranha vs the others?
    On an MCUT am I ever really going to wear the piranha out? I will likely spend 40-60 hours this year with it and then 10-20 afterwords.
    Which ones are more effective digging into southern red clay with lots of rocks?
    Which ones are more effective for getting out brush?
    Do you ever take them off once they are on or do you just leave them?

    Would this work? It's for a skid steer, but it's the right length, has more teeth then the FEL ones and is cheaper. Toothbar
    I really like my piranha for brush and dealing with small trees. It just works great for that. If I was just going to dig with the FEL, I'd probably go with a more traditional tooth bar that has longer teeth and less front surface. The piranha certainly digs better than the flat bucket edge but I don't think as well as a traditional tooth bar would. I'm guessing a conventional tooth bar would be better on rocks but you might end up bending the bucket if one tooth got hung in a rock. I don't think you would wear out a piranha in a few years with your projected use unless the soil was extremely abrasive. I can barely see wear on mine and it's been on the loader for about 100 hours of tractor use but only some part of that was loader work. I leave it on except if I expect snow. No problem to take off and put back but no other reason to take it off.

    I would view any tooth bar as something of a maintenance item. Eventually anything running in the dirt will wear out and have to be replaced. It's more a matter of when and how much but both will wear out. The conventional bars can just replace teeth for a while, maybe a very long while but eventually even those frames will wear out. In my case, I'll probably wear out first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnf View Post
    I did look at that one too coaltrain. I like the idea of not having to drill. I think I could make that one if I had teeth.
    Johnf--did u do a research on here??

    did u fine mine and the one i copied from??

    the one i copied mine from tells where he got his teeth from, i drove out to the business myself, as i love a roadtrip if i can manage it.
    but they will ship them all over the country, check on E-bay for them. i think i had about $80 in the shanks and teeth.

    if u have a welder u can do it ur self. good luck.
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    I just put a piranha tooth bar on my 1025 a couple of weeks ago to clear about 2 acres of ferns and some really nasty brush in our very sandy soil here in Florida and so far it has really done a great job. And it still looks as new as when I put it on. I don't think it will wear out in my lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnf View Post
    I did look at that one too coaltrain. I like the idea of not having to drill. I think I could make that one if I had teeth.
    If you want to have a no drill toothbar like the ones we make, you'll need a special carbide drill bit and tap to make the holes in the shanks which are hardened to RC36-40. The drill and tap we use cost over $250 each! No matter what way you go, having the ability to change the teeth can make your toothbar last a lifetime.
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