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    Choosing the 'Best' Tiller for your Compact Tractor

    We see lots of questions and discussion here about tillers. I decided to summarize my thoughts on this topic in web post.

    Everyone who has a tiller seems to love it, no matter the details, so this might be a waste of effort.

    Choose the Right Tiller for Your Compact Tractor - Tractor Time with Tim

    We have a video coming out later today on the same topic. I'll post it here when it goes live @3pm. (Christy is still working through the details :-) )

    If you see anything I have missed, please let me know. I forgot the 'reverse rotation' discussion in the video, but it is included in the website.
    Also, I'm happy to include some different opinions in this piece, as it is intended to help potential tiller buyers to make a good decision.

    There is no sponsorship in the video or post. Ideas and opinions are all my own (and some gathered from you guys)...and worth a few cents less than what you pay for them

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    Looking forward to your video...

    Side question do you know why Tarter/Countryline keep telling people not to use the yellow unit but to buy the red one?

    I have talked to people on here with 1025 and they said they had no issues at all with the yellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFRet View Post
    Side question do you know why Tarter/Countryline keep telling people not to use the yellow unit but to buy the red one?

    I have talked to people on here with 1025 and they said they had no issues at all with the yellow.

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    Do you mean the 'orange' one?
    In the case of King Kutter, the 4' yellow one is 'offset'. This isn't perfect for sub-compact tractors,as it makes it harder to till out the left tire track. ...but like everything else, folks don't complain. They love whatever tiller they buy.
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    Awesome topic, looking forward to the video!
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFRet View Post
    Side question do you know why Tarter/Countryline keep telling people not to use the yellow unit but to buy the red one?

    I have talked to people on here with 1025 and they said they had no issues at all with the yellow.
    The Tarter and Countyline equipment that is painted red is all designed for sub-compact tractors with Cat 0 3-point hitches.

    Their yellow products are setup for machines with Cat 1 3-point hitches.

    The red stuff also usually weighs less. (the 4' red tiller weighs 90 lbs less than the 4' yellow tiller.)

    People get confused when you bring up the 1025R because it is a "sub compact" tractor so they assume it has a Cat 0 hitch. But it has a "limited" Cat 1 hitch. That's why people don't have any issues using the yellow equipment.

    The Cat 0 hitches were used on some older Cub Cadet, Ingersoll and other "garden tractors". The old Kubota G series tractors had them too. But I don't know when the last time Deere made anything with a Cat 0 was. Even the 3-point hitch kit that is sold for the X700 machines is a Cat 1.
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    Great write up Tim, and I agree with pretty much everything, even the shear bolt/slip clutch vs. 25 hp tractors. Or the way I see it, I put a slip clutch on my rotary cutter simply because they can be adjusted and I really don't believe a tractor with 18 pto hp has enough to snap a shear bolt. But it was a really good read for anyone interested in purchasing a tiller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimR View Post
    The Tarter and Countyline equipment that is painted red is all designed for sub-compact tractors with Cat 0 3-point hitches.

    Their yellow products are setup for machines with Cat 1 3-point hitches.

    The red stuff also usually weighs less. (the 4' red tiller weighs 90 lbs less than the 4' yellow tiller.)

    People get confused when you bring up the 1025R because it is a "sub compact" tractor so they assume it has a Cat 0 hitch. But it has a "limited" Cat 1 hitch. That's why people don't have any issues using the yellow equipment.

    The Cat 0 hitches were used on some older Cub Cadet, Ingersoll and other "garden tractors". The old Kubota G series tractors had them too. But I don't know when the last time Deere made anything with a Cat 0 was. Even the 3-point hitch kit that is sold for the X700 machines is a Cat 1.
    I've also found that the yellow County Line implements are quick hitch ready.
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    IMHO, talking about tillers without talking about soil tilth is like,,,
    buying a car without wheels,,,

    you can do it, but, most people really need wheels with a car,,

    Tilth is the reason most farmers quit using a moldboard plow,, that plow destroys tilth
    the rototiller is even more destructive of tilth,,

    The rototiller can be great, if used correctly.
    My next door neighbor purchased a Kubota, and his package included a tiller.

    He tilled his garden plot a half dozen times before planting,,
    after just two or three years of that, the soil literally looked like a brick when it dried.

    That was over a decade ago, the spot still will not even grow grass.
    Before he got that tiller, he had a garden in that spot.
    The only tilling was done with a Mantis tiller,, and he had a nice garden.

    Someday I may buy a tiller due to my age,,
    but, if I do own one,, it will be used minimally,,tilth is too important,,,

    Rant over!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CADplans View Post
    IMHO, talking about tillers without talking about soil tilth is like,,,
    buying a car without wheels,,,

    you can do it, but, most people really need wheels with a car,,

    Tilth is the reason most farmers quit using a moldboard plow,, that plow destroys tilth
    the rototiller is even more destructive of tilth,,

    The rototiller can be great, if used correctly.
    My next door neighbor purchased a Kubota, and his package included a tiller.

    He tilled his garden plot a half dozen times before planting,,
    after just two or three years of that, the soil literally looked like a brick when it dried.

    That was over a decade ago, the spot still will not even grow grass.
    Before he got that tiller, he had a garden in that spot.
    The only tilling was done with a Mantis tiller,, and he had a nice garden.

    Someday I may buy a tiller due to my age,,
    but, if I do own one,, it will be used minimally,,tilth is too important,,,

    Rant over!!
    I can attest to a tilth issue though not related to tillers - Iíve seen it first hand.

    When I was an equipment operator instructor for the state we had a Gradall field. Day after day - week after week - year after year we had the Gradalls digging in the same spots. The soil became absolute soup when wet and like a brick when dry. The students couldnít learn anything properly because of this.

    When we suggested to the big wheels that we needed new dirt brought in they thought we were nuts.

    So yes - over tilling or digging can cause a big problem - one you certainly donít want for a vegetable garden.
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    tilth okay I bite can you explain what this?

    Quote Originally Posted by CADplans View Post
    IMHO, talking about tillers without talking about soil tilth is like,,,
    buying a car without wheels,,,

    you can do it, but, most people really need wheels with a car,,

    Tilth is the reason most farmers quit using a moldboard plow,, that plow destroys tilth
    the rototiller is even more destructive of tilth,,

    The rototiller can be great, if used correctly.
    My next door neighbor purchased a Kubota, and his package included a tiller.

    He tilled his garden plot a half dozen times before planting,,
    after just two or three years of that, the soil literally looked like a brick when it dried.

    That was over a decade ago, the spot still will not even grow grass.
    Before he got that tiller, he had a garden in that spot.
    The only tilling was done with a Mantis tiller,, and he had a nice garden.

    Someday I may buy a tiller due to my age,,
    but, if I do own one,, it will be used minimally,,tilth is too important,,,

    Rant over!!
    tilth oh boy another term I know nothing about. (lots of others also)

    No one seems eager to ask as they are embarrassed but I'm not. What the hell is " tilth" before I use my new tiller!!!!!

    Thank you !!!

    PS reading this board keeps showing me how much I don't know about what to know.
    Last edited by USAFRet; 03-20-2018 at 01:41 PM.


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