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    Backhoe...Decision Indecision

    Have been shopping for a backhoe for my 4300 for a couple of months. Have looked at used and new and googled everything I could to try to make an educated decision.

    The used ones I found have been too far away to make it practical to buy. New ones are very expensive.
    My use would be for putting in culverts, road ditches, trenching for water and power lines, and any holes that need to be dug.
    Maybe used occasionally to get out stumps or large rocks. All in all, probably use the hoe 10 to twelve times a year once the initial remedial work was completed on culverts and ditching.

    Have considered the pros and cons of going with a subframe mounted hoe versus a three point hoe and have read all the cautions associated with the three point type. I would prefer the subframe type, but price is an important consideration on an attachment that would cost more than half of the value of my tractor.

    I already have a power beyond kit installed, so would not need a pto pump. I think I will have about 8.5 gpm available for the backhoe.

    Just at a point of indecision right now. Need the hoe, but have information overload. Would really like to hear from some of the members that have already made this decision for a backhoe on this size tractor, and for the usage profile that is similar to mine. Oh, and I may not take your recommendation, but it will be appreciated.

    So, my candidates are:
    John Deere 485, with subframe kit. $10300.00
    John Deere 375, with subframe kit. $8300.00
    Wallenstein Gx720 with subframe. $9000.00
    Everything Attachment/Ansung 3 point hitch type. $6000.00
    Woodmax 7600 3 point hitch type. With hydraulic thumb. $5055.00
    (this one only comes with the pto pump system)
    Titan 7 foot three point hitch type, with hydraulic thumb $3699.00

    Here's a sheet showing more info:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...K0b3iBYS1bCGCM
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    2001 John Deere 4300 MFWD with 420 FEL, Woods BH 70 backhoe, Bush Hog 60" rotary cutter, Everything Attachments wicked grapple, Artillian diverter kit and hoses, 6' box blade, Springtooth plow, carryall. Power beyond kit and one remote. Towing it with a Dodge Ram 3500 and a 22' tilt trailer.

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    You'll always be able to get parts for either the JD or the Wallenstein. I have a 485 on my 3320 and its a digging beast. The extra reach is always a benefit.
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    For the price of the JD 485 I could buy a complete used TLB.
    2001 John Deere 4300 MFWD with 420 FEL, Woods BH 70 backhoe, Bush Hog 60" rotary cutter, Everything Attachments wicked grapple, Artillian diverter kit and hoses, 6' box blade, Springtooth plow, carryall. Power beyond kit and one remote. Towing it with a Dodge Ram 3500 and a 22' tilt trailer.

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    It's a tough call for sure...but the scary part of the 3PH ones on these machines is that they have cast aluminum transmission cases that they mount to.
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    Imaybail, How long do you plan on keeping your 4300? Tractor resale will be far better with one from JD if and when you sell the tractor.
    I would not go with a 3PH unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyd View Post
    It's a tough call for sure...but the scary part of the 3PH ones on these machines is that they have cast aluminum transmission cases that they mount to.
    Actually, the transmission case is iron. The axle housings are cast aluminum though. The three point links are mounted to the axle housings. The top link mount is iron too.

    Looked at a JD model 47 that was for sale locally, and it mounted to heavy gauge steel plates that bolted on to the axle housings. The hoe was in bad shape or I would have bought it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo2 View Post
    Imaybail, How long do you plan on keeping your 4300? Tractor resale will be far better with one from JD if and when you sell the tractor.
    I would not go with a 3PH unit.
    I plan on keeping this tractor for the foreseeable future.
    True on resale of the tractor, but resale of the backhoe would be better with one that was "universal".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaybail View Post
    Actually, the transmission case is iron.
    Wow, I was pretty positive the older 4-series-like the newer 3-series where aluminum. Out of curiosity, have you checked it with a magnet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaybail View Post
    I plan on keeping this tractor for the foreseeable future.
    True on resale of the tractor, but resale of the backhoe would be better with one that was "universal".
    Also true, good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyd View Post
    Wow, I was pretty positive the older 4-series-like the newer 3-series where aluminum. Out of curiosity, have you checked it with a magnet?
    Yes, I have.
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