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    Hey guys I just got my grand fathers 60 home for the first time in five years. When I got it home I spun the engine over and it went through both compretions real smooth no catching or anything. Two days later I went to go do it again and I get little movement in the flywheel when trying to spin the engine again( about one inch of turn each way) what could cause this? Is it something I should be worried about? I drained all the old oil our and put five fresh quarts in to stay safe. Now it also got very cold over this two nights that I hadn't touched it but the whole coolant system had been drained. Thanks for your help guys ideas are welcome and needed!

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    Be very careful turning over a seized engine forcefully below freezing. If there is water in the crankcase it could easily be in the oil pump and have it frozen. If you forcefully turn the motor over you could shear the oil pump drive shaft or coupling and you wouldn't know until it's possibly too late. The slop in the coupling would allow the motor to turn over just a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselshadow View Post
    Be very careful turning over a seized engine forcefully below freezing. If there is water in the crankcase it could easily be in the oil pump and have it frozen. If you forcefully turn the motor over you could shear the oil pump drive shaft or coupling and you wouldn't know until it's possibly too late. The slop in the coupling would allow the motor to turn over just a little bit.
    When I say turn it over I'm just doing it by the fly wheel, would that hurt it too much? And if it is water in the oil pump what's the best way to go about solving this problem? My friend and I figured maybe fresh oil and a block heater, to melt the ice and then drain everything out from the crank case and then repeat if needed, is this a good idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpas60 View Post
    When I say turn it over I'm just doing it by the fly wheel, would that hurt it too much? And if it is water in the oil pump what's the best way to go about solving this problem? My friend and I figured maybe fresh oil and a block heater, to melt the ice and then drain everything out from the crank case and then repeat if needed, is this a good idea?
    If you were going to do that I would remove the upper and lower rad hose and flush with a garden hose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felixm22 View Post
    If you were going to do that I would remove the upper and lower rad hose and flush with a garden hose.
    The coolant system is already dry, it was drained out to prevent any damage when it sat. Do you think the block heater idea will work? Sorry if I'm asking simple questions here, it's the first time I've worked on an old jd like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpas60 View Post
    When I say turn it over I'm just doing it by the fly wheel, would that hurt it too much? And if it is water in the oil pump what's the best way to go about solving this problem? My friend and I figured maybe fresh oil and a block heater, to melt the ice and then drain everything out from the crank case and then repeat if needed, is this a good idea?
    A Nipco heater blasting on it would certainly thaw things out. I think to get the water out of the oil system, maybe a mixture of solvent alcohol, and ATF and/or diesel fuel. That should pull the water out and get in solution.
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    Getting the ice thawed and drained out is your goal. Can you put a tarp over it and apply some heat? once warmed for a while, drain out what you got and pay attention to what's draining. Don't forget the oil filter cartridge.

    Turning it over by hand probably did zero damage. These things are pretty tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arlen View Post
    A Nipco heater blasting on it would certainly thaw things out. I think to get the water out of the oil system, maybe a mixture of solvent alcohol, and ATF and/or diesel fuel. That should pull the water out and get in solution.
    The thing is I'm not 100% if it is water, that's just been the only thing I could come up with that would almost compleatly lock up the engine in two days. And what kind of mixture of those things should I put in the crank case if it is water? How long should I let it set? And if I do that would I need the heater? It's hovering around 30 to 35 around here now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselshadow View Post
    Getting the ice thawed and drained out is your goal. Can you put a tarp over it and apply some heat? once warmed for a while, drain out what you got and pay attention to what's draining. Don't forget the oil filter cartridge.

    Turning it over by hand probably did zero damage. These things are pretty tough.
    Icant get it inside now because I have nothing with enough power to push it or pull it, I can get a dipstick style block heater, I think that'll do the job of thawing everything out if it is water.

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