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    Pavers and Pallet Forks

    Got my new pallet forks last week. Which is good timing because Lowe's just brought ten pallets of paver bricks. I'm planning to create a patio in the back yard and would appreciate your thoughts on doing it. I think my biggest concern is getting the grade right - I want the water to drain correctly and not puddle or run back toward my house. I expect the patio to be about 30 X 40 or so. Any advice?

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    Nice!

    Can't help with construction, but how much does one of those paver pallets weigh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejchron View Post
    Got my new pallet forks last week. Which is good timing because Lowe's just brought ten pallets of paver bricks. I'm planning to create a patio in the back yard and would appreciate your thoughts on doing it. I think my biggest concern is getting the grade right - I want the water to drain correctly and not puddle or run back toward my house. I expect the patio to be about 30 X 40 or so. Any advice?

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    Biggest thing is get the base layer right. Smooth, packed, and slopes correctly. I believe its 1/4 per foot but dont quote me on that. Nothing is worse than busting your butt to do the work and having it sink and heave the following spring. Been there done that. Id recommend some sort of edger. Bricks turned on there side work good but can use the plastic edging as well. Lock everything together with paver locking sand swept into the gaps. 30x 40 is a big undertaking. Take your time, measure twice, dig once.


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    There are lots of YouTube videos to reference for this type of job. Pick one and use it, or you can go to the paver manufacturer's website and they generally have some brief installation videos for the homeowner. I put down pavers for my front walk last year. A fairly simple job but....patience is key. Having a good base material really helps. I would consider renting a small roller or something piece of equipment that creates level pads. It will really speed up the job and remove a lot of manual labor. Of course it is an expense so....figure out what you want to hurt the least, your back or your wallet!

    My only advice is to use that tractor to position those pavers as close to the job site as possible. You will eat up a lot of time retrieving a brick in order to set it. You will definitely use the JD to bring your base dirt unless you're blessed with sand or clay sand type of dirt and do a rough level to it. Good luck with the project and post up pictures. I need to do my back yard walk/patio sometime myself. Hopefully it is this year but it's not at the top of the honey do list yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodworkstractors View Post
    Nice!

    Can't help with construction, but how much does one of those paver pallets weigh?
    I'm not sure. I asked the Lowe's driver and he didn't know either. He said, "a lot...". Said he was "overweight" at 44k gross for the entire load which included four pallets of cinder blocks and a couple of riding lawnmowers in addition to my pavers and his forklift. His load shifted while coming up our steep hill. Had to restack all the ones that spilled on his truck bed. Only broke a few.

    Most standard retail pallet jacks (like Lowe's uses) are rated at 4k - 5k so I'd expect it weighs less than that. I searched a few paver company websites and the heaviest pallet I saw was about 2800. I haven't picked one up yet. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69project View Post
    My only advice is to use that tractor to position those pavers as close to the job site as possible. You will eat up a lot of time retrieving a brick in order to set it. You will definitely use the JD to bring your base dirt unless you're blessed with sand or clay sand type of dirt and do a rough level to it. Good luck with the project and post up pictures. I need to do my back yard walk/patio sometime myself. Hopefully it is this year but it's not at the top of the honey do list yet...
    I'm no expert on this, but that's never stopped me from chiming in on a subject before....

    When picking your pavers off the pallets, pick them randomly so you're mixing up the pallets in case you have different production batches (ie - color variations) on the different pallets. In other words, don't empty pallet 1 and then move on to pallet 2. Pick some from P-1, then from P-2, then from P-3.... then back to P-1....
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    You should not have any problem moving those with your tractor as long as you have enough rear ballast.

    As others have said, find information from paver manufacturers of videos from professionals on how to do a brick patio.
    The base is the most important part. Do not use to much sand.
    I did a small patio & walkway at our rental house. I used packed crushed stone to build the base to within 1" of the final grade. Then used sand for the final 1".
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    we did 800 sq ft patio 5 years ago here, with walls around 2 sides , other 2 were the house and garage.
    started with base material of crusher run, 12" thick or so, compacted in layers. i only had a string
    level to use, and needed water to go to 2 outlets in the walls (walkways) i think i did 1/4" on 4' or 8'
    pitch,
    the top inch was stone dust laid over 1" pipes and screeded off, then we laid the pavers, ours were different
    as there were 5 sizes/shapes to go in a pattern, took a little while to get it down but once we did it
    went quickly.
    the pallets i had delivered were 3200 lbs or so, same for the wall block and caps. we did incorporate
    some low voltage lighting into the wall, it's our escape in summertime and we really enjoy the space.
    as mentioned, take your time in the grading part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodworkstractors View Post
    Nice!

    Can't help with construction, but how much does one of those paver pallets weigh?
    Brick paver weight is 150 pounds per cubic foot. Measure the volume of the pavers stacked on the pallet and you should be able to roughly calculate the weight.

    Pavers weigh more per cubic foor than sand (100#), concrete (140#), building bricks (120#), cement (100#), or dry packed dirt (95#) which is why I chose pavers to fill my ballast box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejchron View Post
    Most standard retail pallet jacks (like Lowe's uses) are rated at 4k - 5k so I'd expect it weighs less than that. I searched a few paver company websites and the heaviest pallet I saw was about 2800. I haven't picked one up yet. We'll see.

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    Construction materials may hew to a different standard since much heavier equipment is available to handle them.

    Many warehouses will not accept 2 ton pallets and 1 ton (long ton - 1000KG, 2204LBS) are the norm for safety reasons in a warehouse with conventional fork trucks and pallet racks. If the materials allow for stacking, that allows you to safely transport two pallets (4408LBS total) stacked one on top of the other at ground level.

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