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    Water Management Around Barn

    So I bought this place last year, and here's the current state of the "barn":

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    You can see there's already a little fenced in paddock on the left, so I could add a barn door on that side no problem. No animals yet, but wanting maybe a mini horse or couple mini donkeys and or some goats.

    The issue is with the right side. Right now there's bare dirt, and after 5ft away from barn side, it goes up an incline. You can see it gets very wet there, obviously.

    Even if there's grass growing all the way up to barn, over time animals going in and out would kill the grass and muck it up.

    What the heck do I do?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbowen89 View Post
    So I bought this place last year, and here's the current state of the "barn":

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    You can see there's already a little fenced in paddock on the left, so I could add a barn door on that side no problem. No animals yet, but wanting maybe a mini horse or couple mini donkeys and or some goats.

    The issue is with the right side. Right now there's bare dirt, and after 5ft away from barn side, it goes up an incline. You can see it gets very wet there, obviously.

    Even if there's grass growing all the way up to barn, over time animals going in and out would kill the grass and muck it up.

    What the heck do I do?!
    It doesn't look too bad. What ever you do, it looks like it would be minor. It looks like it drains toward the driveway. Is that accurate? You could slope it a little better and smooth it out to help it out. Would a culvert get it going under the driveway and draining to the left?
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    I am watching this with interest, as we have a very similar problem. Except where your barn is, we have an outdoor, sanded riding arena. The snowmelt fills our corresponding low area and spills into the arena. Our low area is part of our "winter paddock", getting lots of horse action (5 horses), and even though the snow has melted, there is still standing water there.

    Of course our outdoor arena was put in in late summer when all was good and dry.

    So like you, I'm wondering what's best... Grading, drainage, weeping tiles, etc??

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    I would agree with Arlen. It looks like you have a ditch to the left of the driveway. A culvert under the driveway and maybe a little grading to get all the water headed towards it.

    You could also tile it...

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    You are correct that under the drive to the barn is a metal culvert. Before yesterday it just had grass, but you can see I dug a trench on the one side that goes towards a creek, I plan on putting corrugated pipe in it, so water going under the drive will not make a creek through the grass.

    Everything to the right in the picture has an uphill grade. So water comes from the yard strait right, along side of where pasture will be, but then also the currently dirt valley next to barn.

    So you guys are thinking that if I had some good grass growing there, its already draining enough I wouldn't have to worry about it?

    I feel like if I eventually had larger animals going in and out over there, it would become a mud pit still though.

    I feel I can't really do any grading, because the entire barn is below the entire pasture height level... there's going to be a valley or flat spot next to barn no matter what, right?
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    How would I tile it with it also being part of a future pasture, and right by barn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbowen89 View Post
    You are correct that under the drive to the barn is a metal culvert. Before yesterday it just had grass, but you can see I dug a trench on the one side that goes towards a creek, I plan on putting corrugated pipe in it, so water going under the drive will not make a creek through the grass.

    Everything to the right in the picture has an uphill grade. So water comes from the yard strait right, along side of where pasture will be, but then also the currently dirt valley next to barn.

    So you guys are thinking that if I had some good grass growing there, its already draining enough I wouldn't have to worry about it?

    I feel like if I eventually had larger animals going in and out over there, it would become a mud pit still though.

    I feel I can't really do any grading, because the entire barn is below the entire pasture height level... there's going to be a valley or flat spot next to barn no matter what, right?
    I think you would want to keep bigger animals off of that spot when wet, because they put lots of little pockets in the ground that holds water, then they muck it all up.

    If it was smoothed out, grass growing and draining away from the barn, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbowen89 View Post
    I feel I can't really do any grading, because the entire barn is below the entire pasture height level... there's going to be a valley or flat spot next to barn no matter what, right?
    Yes and no. Yes, you'd end up with flat areas and a valley near the barn but I think if it were me I'd try to grade things out so that the water was concentrated into a smaller area. Right now, you've got standing water covering a 20' wide dirt patch.

    If you sloped away from the barn for 8' or so and then back up with a continuous slope to the top of the little knoll you'd have a valley at the bottom that all of the water would run to. Once seeded, your "mud spot" would only be a 2' wide strip at the very bottom of the valley. Then if you wanted to get really happy you could trench up that valley, put in drain pipe and drain it all into your culvert.

    But the whole idea would be to grade the area to get all that standing water to move somewhere else.

    All of that said, if you're going to run animals in that area, just give up on the idea of grass. If you look at pics of almost any animal barn you'll see that there is very little grass left anywhere that the animals are allowed to run. Whatever they don't eat, they'll stomp to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbowen89 View Post
    How would I tile it with it also being part of a future pasture, and right by barn?
    Jim stayed exactly what I was thinking with the grading. With tiling, you bury perforated pipe in the ground and that will carry away excess moisture. You can still plant grass over top of it. The best solution would be a combination of both.

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    I would put rain gutters on the shed and connect the down spout to some type of tile and run a couple lines of tile to take care of the water coming from the hill.

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