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    X758 Wierd noise and feeling...

    Hi all, I have a X758 with 28 hours on it. Ever since new, there has been a feeling of gears not meshing right causing a vibration through the machine when moving. I especially notice it when I am about half to 3/4 on the forwards or reverse pedals. I though it was strange since my X728 I had with HFWD didn't do this but thought maybe it had to 'wear' in. Yesterday when I was mowing it seemed to be a little worse, so I figured I would do a fluid change to see if there was any debris. I didn't see any in the oil, I used a paper towel under the drain ports to see if there was pieces of metal. I am going to cut the filter open to see if has any in there. I mentioned it to the mechanic at my dealer when I was picking up the oil and he said they did have a new X series they had to replace the front axle and the it sounded like my issue, I wasn't happy to hear this. The other odd thing is the oil I drained looked pink. I have changed A LOT of LoVis Hygard and it has a honey color, this looked like and smelled like the Hydrau they are putting in the new skidsteers. Maybe it will just be a fluid change and be good, but not sure.

    Has anyone else experienced this with their HFWD tractors? The mechanic asked if it was noisy but I cant hear it over the engine.

    Thanks for any help

    Adam
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    It shouldn't be pink and if it smells different I would take it to the dealer.They could've put the wrong oil in from the factory.I wonder if they have a hydro oil that looks like that.It would confirm the wrong oil theory.
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    I know they do have an oil like that, our skidsteers at work both take the new Hydrau XR. It is supposed to be some new super synthetic that won't break down with the heat generated from the high flow on the machines. It would just suck that they did it at the factory if it was wrong, but if they use it in a $90K skidsteer I would hope it would be okay for the tractor...

    I just refilled the trans and front axle, I let it drain over night and was running it around the yard. I had the tractor only half idle and no ear plugs and when I turn all the way to the right, the left front axle does make noise. I tried it on the lawn and blacktop and it is there. I tried it both ways, left and right lock and it is only when it is turn to the right. So unfortunately I think I am going to have to take it in to the dealer and see what they say. I wonder if something in the front left final drive is messed up. I cut the filter open and it was quite clean which made me happy to see. I spun the front wheels too when I had it up on jackstands and it is loud, which makes me concerned as well.

    I guess this will be an ongoing thread, I will keep everyone apprised of my situation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamq View Post
    I know they do have an oil like that, our skidsteers at work both take the new Hydrau XR. It is supposed to be some new super synthetic that won't break down with the heat generated from the high flow on the machines. It would just suck that they did it at the factory if it was wrong, but if they use it in a $90K skidsteer I would hope it would be okay for the tractor...

    I just refilled the trans and front axle, I let it drain over night and was running it around the yard. I had the tractor only half idle and no ear plugs and when I turn all the way to the right, the left front axle does make noise. I tried it on the lawn and blacktop and it is there. I tried it both ways, left and right lock and it is only when it is turn to the right. So unfortunately I think I am going to have to take it in to the dealer and see what they say. I wonder if something in the front left final drive is messed up. I cut the filter open and it was quite clean which made me happy to see. I spun the front wheels too when I had it up on jackstands and it is loud, which makes me concerned as well.

    I guess this will be an ongoing thread, I will keep everyone apprised of my situation...

    Adam
    I would take the old oil with you to so them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamq View Post
    I know they do have an oil like that, our skidsteers at work both take the new Hydrau XR. It is supposed to be some new super synthetic that won't break down with the heat generated from the high flow on the machines. It would just suck that they did it at the factory if it was wrong, but if they use it in a $90K skidsteer I would hope it would be okay for the tractor...

    I just refilled the trans and front axle, I let it drain over night and was running it around the yard. I had the tractor only half idle and no ear plugs and when I turn all the way to the right, the left front axle does make noise. I tried it on the lawn and blacktop and it is there. I tried it both ways, left and right lock and it is only when it is turn to the right. So unfortunately I think I am going to have to take it in to the dealer and see what they say. I wonder if something in the front left final drive is messed up. I cut the filter open and it was quite clean which made me happy to see. I spun the front wheels too when I had it up on jackstands and it is loud, which makes me concerned as well.

    I guess this will be an ongoing thread, I will keep everyone apprised of my situation...

    Adam
    I'd send your tractor back like a boomerang. It's obviously under warranty. It's kind of late now but I wouldn't have spent your money on service parts. Not after spending over $10,000 for the tractor. This way if they find the wrong fluid was put in your more than covered. Definitely save some to take in with your tractor.
    Now if you had enough hours to need a transmission service by all means do it.

    What year was your X728? I believe that the older models had a lever to shift into and out of 4WD. If it was new enough to have the full time set up. Pretty much everything but the engine should be the same (gas vs diesel). So it sounds like you are used to how it handles & turns. If something feels wrong it may have a problem.

    From what I understand the front differential is powered by hydro fluid pressure instead of a drive shaft. So your problem could be with this system or possibly the front axle.
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    HD yes, I actually dropped the tractor off today and will call them tomorrow to talk with the service manager. I actually texted my salesman yesterday to mention I was bringing it back for them to check out and see what the deal is. I have some fluid saved that I will take to them too if they want to see it. My X728 was a 2011, it had the HFWD, I wasn't sure I would like it but loved it. When I traded to a 1025r I really missed the AWD of the X. They are hydraulically driven yes, there is a proportioning valve that opens and closes to allow more fluid to go to one wheel in the front versus the other when you steer. This way it eliminates scuffing the grass up but allows both front tires to turn at all times.

    I will see what they say, I am going to see what they say. The dealer has been really good in the past, my boss has dropped a TON of money there the past couple of years and I have bought four tractors there in the past six years so I am hoping this will help a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamq View Post
    HD yes, I actually dropped the tractor off today and will call them tomorrow to talk with the service manager. I actually texted my salesman yesterday to mention I was bringing it back for them to check out and see what the deal is. I have some fluid saved that I will take to them too if they want to see it. My X728 was a 2011, it had the HFWD, I wasn't sure I would like it but loved it. When I traded to a 1025r I really missed the AWD of the X. They are hydraulically driven yes, there is a proportioning valve that opens and closes to allow more fluid to go to one wheel in the front versus the other when you steer. This way it eliminates scuffing the grass up but allows both front tires to turn at all times.

    I will see what they say, I am going to see what they say. The dealer has been really good in the past, my boss has dropped a TON of money there the past couple of years and I have bought four tractors there in the past six years so I am hoping this will help a little bit.

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    Sounds like you have also dumped a ton of money at this dealership.

    The difference between a 1025 and a X758 is exactly what I was talking about. Full time vs part time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamq View Post
    HD yes, I actually dropped the tractor off today and will call them tomorrow to talk with the service manager. I actually texted my salesman yesterday to mention I was bringing it back for them to check out and see what the deal is. I have some fluid saved that I will take to them too if they want to see it. My X728 was a 2011, it had the HFWD, I wasn't sure I would like it but loved it. When I traded to a 1025r I really missed the AWD of the X. They are hydraulically driven yes, there is a proportioning valve that opens and closes to allow more fluid to go to one wheel in the front versus the other when you steer. This way it eliminates scuffing the grass up but allows both front tires to turn at all times.

    I will see what they say, I am going to see what they say. The dealer has been really good in the past, my boss has dropped a TON of money there the past couple of years and I have bought four tractors there in the past six years so I am hoping this will help a little bit.

    Thanks

    Adam
    Hello ... Pls provide an update on what was found. I'm having the same issue with my 2014 X758 that I just bought but which has only 55hrs on it.

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    I think I found the answer to our concerns working with the Deere dealer; see attached file ...
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    Hi there, sorry, nothing was done at the dealer I normally go to. Planning on taking the tractor to another dealer in the area that is not owned by the same people. I talked with their service manager and was told it should not be making noise or vibrating the entire tractor. I have been waiting for leaf cleanup to be done. Hopefully something will be done.

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