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    265 dies after about 15-20 minutes or so

    I didn't time it but that's about how long I was on it while mowing.

    Seems I bought another "project" tractor today. As with my 176, this one dies after a little awhile. Just peters out. Yes, I am a glutton for punishment, but I suppose after I fix one I'll have learned the other, since they have similar-tech Kawasakis.

    Seems like the ignition gets weak; it doesn't surge/die like fuel starvation, but then again I've not yet run one of these dry so don't know for sure how that goes.

    I was able to immediately restart it without a problem, but engaging the PTO was "too much" for it again, and it began to die once more. I quickly turned off the PTO and it slowly recovered and could be driven, but that's all.

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    M00265A479834

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    FC540V - BS00

    engine serial
    094147

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    What I would dearly like to know is if the separate coil and ignition module these older tractors have can be updated to the slightly-more-more-modern type that has the ignition module inside the coil. Wiring changes, whatever, I don't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deckeda View Post
    I didn't time it but that's about how long I was on it while mowing.

    Seems I bought another "project" tractor today. As with my 176, this one dies after a little awhile. Just peters out. Yes, I am a glutton for punishment, but I suppose after I fix one I'll have learned the other, since they have similar-tech Kawasakis.

    Seems like the ignition gets weak; it doesn't surge/die like fuel starvation, but then again I've not yet run one of these dry so don't know for sure how that goes.

    I was able to immediately restart it without a problem, but engaging the PTO was "too much" for it again, and it began to die once more. I quickly turned off the PTO and it slowly recovered and could be driven, but that's all.

    tractor
    M00265A479834

    engine model
    FC540V - BS00

    engine serial
    094147

    ****************

    What I would dearly like to know is if the separate coil and ignition module these older tractors have can be updated to the slightly-more-more-modern type that has the ignition module inside the coil. Wiring changes, whatever, I don't mind.
    Try cracking the fuel cap loose when it starts to die. That's about the right amount of time to vaper lock the fuel tank if the vent is plugged. Within 30-60 seconds it should go back to full power if this is the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H-D dealer dude View Post
    Try cracking the fuel cap loose when it starts to die. That's about the right amount of time to vaper lock the fuel tank if the vent is plugged. Within 30-60 seconds it should go back to full power if this is the problem.
    That is my canned answer for this.
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    Thank you both. I will try that tomorrow. And I'll take a paperclip with me

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    I put this on a FC420V. Ignitor is built in. Not sure if it will fit a FC540V. Part number 21121-2086

    Is it charging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deckeda View Post
    Thank you both. I will try that tomorrow. And I'll take a paperclip with me
    Paper clip (universal tool #2) might be less effective than compressed air. Depends how the cap is constructed (simple hole), some have a passage or chamber to retain splashing. That kind will need some blowing out.

    BTW, this is absolutely the FIRST THING TO CHECK when diagnosing no-starts and slowly failing engines! ALWAYS! Simplest place to start and will eliminate that "DAMN, I should have tried that in the beginning!" (and winding up with unused parts put into storage)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HydroHarold View Post
    Paper clip (universal tool #2) might be less effective than compressed air. Depends how the cap is constructed (simple hole), some have a passage or chamber to retain splashing. That kind will need some blowing out.

    BTW, this is absolutely the FIRST THING TO CHECK when diagnosing no-starts and slowly failing engines! ALWAYS! Simplest place to start and will eliminate that "DAMN, I should have tried that in the beginning!" (and winding up with unused parts put into storage)
    I have compressed air available also. I'll know tomorrow what the cap on this and on my 165 is like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4044M View Post
    I put this on a FC420V. Ignitor is built in. Not sure if it will fit a FC540V. Part number 21121-2086

    Is it charging?
    It charges. The battery light is not on when running, and the battery has full cranking power to restart the engine.

    That coil you listed isn't made to work on any of the 540s, I don't think. But are you saying you retrofitted an older tractor designed for the separate igniter module with a coil with the module built in, and "it just works"? Just leave the wire dangling, that used to connect to the module on the side of the engine?

    Since my also-new-to-me 176 shared this same symptom, I've read all sorts of things online that could all point to losing power/dying after a while, some spark and some fuel related:

    -bad igniter module (there are some measurement figures floating around online that aren't probably entirely relevant; J-D's docs say these are essentially untestable)
    -bad coil (might test good but get weak when hot; untestable scenario)
    -bad gas cap (vent plugged)
    -bad fuel lines (clogged/obstructed)
    -transmission pressing against fuel tank (obstructed fuel pickup tube) -- don't see that as applicable to the 265.

    Tomorrow I'll know if the gas cap on the 265 is the problem, and if it's the igniter module I have a generic one coming soon intended for the 176 I can try on the 265 instead. If that doesn't fix it I'll be looking hard at the tank, fuel lines and filter, and then the coil.

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    I had a LX172 I had problems with hard to or no start. Shutting down while mowing. Spark when cranking was more of a tickle. I had enough extra parts to try multiple known coils and igniters. Ignitor can be good when cold, but when shut off and restarted no spark.

    Finally, figured only thing left was the flywheel. So I pulled one off a 170. Knew I had something when I cranked it and had enough spark to bite you.

    This coil is just attached directly to kill wire running to ignition switch. Only change to use is wiring. I am sure there modern coils for the 540.

    I would not trust the idiot light and actually test charging voltage.

    Test mow running off test gas tank and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4044M View Post
    I had a LX172 I had problems with hard to or no start. Shutting down while mowing. Spark when cranking was more of a tickle. I had enough extra parts to try multiple known coils and igniters. Ignitor can be good when cold, but when shut off and restarted no spark.

    Finally, figured only thing left was the flywheel. So I pulled one off a 170. Knew I had something when I cranked it and had enough spark to bite you.

    This coil is just attached directly to kill wire running to ignition switch. Only change to use is wiring. I am sure there modern coils for the 540.

    I would not trust the idiot light and actually test charging voltage.

    Test mow running off test gas tank and see what happens.
    Not many peeps think that a flywheel can't go bad but it can. However it usually involves a problem with the magnets. Someone just posted fairly recently about a problem with the magnets falling off.

    Another thing that can cause flywheel problems is the key. It's a little piece of metal that holds the flywheel into the proper position on the crankshaft. Both have a groove that the key fits into locking them together. This key can sheer or partially sheer for a number of reasons. Once the flywheel rotates out of position with the crankshaft the ignition will be out of time. You can still have spark at the plug but not at the correct time. Only a few degrees out of position is enough to cause problems.
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