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    Bad motor on 2013 D105

    My tractor quit last week and I sent it to the dealer for service. He tells me that the motor seized. I'm stunned that a 2013 motor has already died, but in asking around I found someone else who had the same experience. By the time I pay for a new motor, I might as well just buy another tractor. Needless to say there is no support from the dealer because the motor is "out of warrantee".
    Any thoughts on getting some relief from either John Deere or Briggs & Stratton?

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    Were there any unusual operating circumstances? How many hours on the engine? Was it full of oil? When was the last oil/filter change?
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    Thanks for your reply!

    The tractor was used strictly to cut grass in the summer and plow snow in the winter. Last oil change was August 2017- about 20 hours since.
    Any other thoughts??

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    Wow... that is surprising. Did it just clunk to a halt when it quit or did it stop more gently?

    It would be interesting to find out what is actually wrong with the engine. I mean, normally they don't just seize unless something breaks and results in loss of lubrication or a valve breaks, etc.

    And by seized do they mean the piston is just seized to the cylinder?

    I believe your D105 has the same B&S 31-series 17.5HP single cylinder engine as does a Ariens tractor I have. I had the compression release go bad on that engine with less than 50 hrs on it. The fix involved replacing the cam. Those engines are very easy to take apart. They are also very cheaply made. I was a bit disappointed in B&S after seeing the inside of that engine.

    Depending on the condition of the internal components you may be able to fix the engine. A replacement 17.5HP B&S engine is between $500-600. I see Lowe's even sells them.

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Briggs-Stra...Mower/50405916

    I guess step one is finding out exactly what happened inside the engine.
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    Any help on a D105 2 yrs out of warranty is doubtful. How many hrs on the machine? Even if you were under warranty the dealer would have to do a complete teardown and submit a report with pics of specific parts. If there is any metal transfer they will blame it on low oil. Unless maybe the oil pump itself failed all of a sudden. It would be interesting to know why it failed.

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    Thanks for the Reply!

    Quote Originally Posted by xcopterdoc View Post
    Any help on a D105 2 yrs out of warranty is doubtful. How many hrs on the machine? Even if you were under warranty the dealer would have to do a complete teardown and submit a report with pics of specific parts. If there is any metal transfer they will blame it on low oil. Unless maybe the oil pump itself failed all of a sudden. It would be interesting to know why it failed.

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    But even if the oil pump failed (I KNOW it wasn't low on oil), it doesn't seem like there is any recourse. I either pay for a new motor or pay for a new tractor...
    I guess nothing DOESN'T run like a Deere.
    I'm very disappointed in this. Probably should have just bought a cheap tractor originally!

    Thanks again for the reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeBledsoe View Post
    But even if the oil pump failed (I KNOW it wasn't low on oil), it doesn't seem like there is any recourse. I either pay for a new motor or pay for a new tractor...
    I guess nothing DOESN'T run like a Deere.
    I'm very disappointed in this. Probably should have just bought a cheap tractor originally!

    Thanks again for the reply!
    Depending on what happened you may be able to repair the engine. Seized doesn't automatically mean junk. Sometimes the piston just galls fast to the cylinder. There are lot of things that can be fairly easy to repair. But... if you are not equipped to do repairs yourself it may not be economically feasible to pay a small engine shop to repair it once you factor in labor charges.

    As for running like a Deere. Unfortunately Deere uses some pretty low end Briggs & Stratton engines on the L and D-series. These are the same engines found on many of the other big box store brands or riding mowers. So while you do have a Deere chassis, the most important components (transmission and engine) are made by someone else... B&S for the engine and General Transmissions for the transaxle.
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    If you had an X series tractor. Unfortunately it would still be out of the 4 year warranty time wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeBledsoe View Post
    But even if the oil pump failed (I KNOW it wasn't low on oil), it doesn't seem like there is any recourse. I either pay for a new motor or pay for a new tractor...
    I guess nothing DOESN'T run like a Deere.
    I'm very disappointed in this. Probably should have just bought a cheap tractor originally!

    Thanks again for the reply!
    First of all I would make sure its actually siezed. I have seen engines misdiagnosed that the tech or owner thought were siezed. It could be hydro locked..the carb needle fails and fills cylinder with gas. Wont budge. Another one is the valves are out of adjustment and the engine wont turn past top dead center using the starter. 3rd is a drive belt or deck belt failure and the belt gets wrapped up in the engine pulley.
    I would hope they checked all that and tore the engine down far enough to confirm an internal failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgayman View Post
    Depending on what happened you may be able to repair the engine. Seized doesn't automatically mean junk. Sometimes the piston just galls fast to the cylinder. There are lot of things that can be fairly easy to repair. But... if you are not equipped to do repairs yourself it may not be economically feasible to pay a small engine shop to repair it once you factor in labor charges.

    As for running like a Deere. Unfortunately Deere uses some pretty low end Briggs & Stratton engines on the L and D-series. These are the same engines found on many of the other big box store brands or riding mowers. So while you do have a Deere chassis, the most important components (transmission and engine) are made by someone else... B&S for the engine and General Transmissions for the transaxle.

    So if you bought another brand. You still might have gotten the same B&S engine. Just be glad it's not a Kohler Courage. lol They ain't even worth trying to fix. Your engine might be.

    Like the good doctor recommended. Get a second option.

    I thought I blew up the 18.5 hp B&S Intek engine in my old L108. Oil was blowing out of everywhere including the exhaust. I was sure it had broken rings or a hole in the prison. Eventually figured out that it was only a bad head gasket. Fixed it myself for under $25.
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