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    Justifing X7xx diesel

    Hi
    New here and looking to get John Deere X500 or X700 series for our new place.
    We have two acres but only about 0.7 acres to mow, but would like to make a large garden using the current field at the back of the property.

    Trying to figure out what to get, and figure out if I can justify a diesel X700 (X750 or X758).

    For now, besides the mower deck+mulch kit, I would consider probably just a tiller - like the 42" unit (and front weights) (and so need PTO and 3 pt hitch).
    Driveway is a bit over 200', but I don't require any snow attachments since I get it done pretty cheap by a service.

    I'd love the diesel, but even if I only get the tractor and mower deck this year and leave other attachments for later...
    the x750 would be close to twice the x590 price!!
    Now how do you justify that?? (Hint: help me!)

    Any help on deciding would be much appreciated!
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    2 acres, 3 pt hitch, diesel, may as well look at 1 series w/ loader and never look back
    Good luck with your choice
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    Your right about 1 series but I just did NOT like the hulking size of those things, nor do I like that equally hulking ROPS thing overhead. Maybe I should reconsider given the economics!!
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    Diesels REALLY hold their value!

    I wanted to try a diesel when I upgraded from a JD 285. I was only going to buy used and decided I would pay $600 more for diesel over gas.
    It did NOT happen Sellers wanted $1000 more for tractors with 3 to 4 times the hours, $1500 more with twice the hours, and $2000 more with about the same hours. Even with the reduced fuel use, for me a diesel would never pay for the added cost.

    I have 5 acres and estimate I mow 2 to 2 1/2 acres.

    I also wanted a diesel truck, but could not justify (for my usage) the added cost. I do mostly short trips, rarely tow any more, so gas was the better choice.

    BUT, if you REALLY want a diesel, and have the , you only live once!!!!
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    I agree with the one series. Has far has the ROPS goes if there is no worry of roll over leave them folded down. Mine are always folded. My brother went through this same circumstances he started with a 730 for one year then traded it for a 1025r without loader. He wanted a tiller and he got the 54" mower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strathglass View Post
    Your right about 1 series but I just did NOT like the hulking size of those things, nor do I like that equally hulking ROPS thing overhead. Maybe I should reconsider given the economics!!
    I have used both a x738 (gas before that x590) 54" deck for mowing and my 1025r w 54" for mowing , tilling 48" ,Frt snowblower, fel, BH, rear blade and frt blade for years . I never give the ROPS a thought, as for hulking size compare the two , very little difference in size ,,very little ..

    When you add in your class 0 3pt hitch, compared to class 1 , having low and high range , plus all the attachments that can be bought for the 1025r and guessing at a cheaper price than class 0 attachments, go for the series 1

    I've used both units on the same hills , and slopes ,mowing , no issues with either one , but for my money is for the series 1 and never looked back.
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    Price wise, once you get the 7 series and all the extra cost with the 3 point hitch and pto, it makes more economic sense to go with the one series. I have been real curious about this for a while. JD has to be killing their 7 series sales with the one series selling for what it does. I love the X700’s, but why not get so much more work ability for the same money.
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    Either a diesel or gas engine will handily do what you need. Benefits of a diesel include better torque, which may be useful if you often mow long, wet grass (I mow 7 acres and can't always get to it before it gets long) or spinning a tiller or snowblower. Another benefit is better fuel consumption. But don't confuse that with being cheaper. For much of the last year diesel around me has been a bit under $3/gal and unleaded around $2.40/gal. On the x7-series the diesels can go 0.8-0.9 gal/hour and the gas engines 1.0-1.2 gal/hour. You do the math. But where the lower consumption helps is with the number of refills. When I mow my yard (4.0-4.5 hours for 7 acres) I can do the whole thing on one tank of diesel instead of filling a 2nd time. I could not do that with gas. Not a major thing but it is meaningful to me.

    If you are at all thinking of the 1-series make sure you consider the weight and size. If your soil is soft or often wet you would leave more ruts with the heavier 1-series than an x7 (especially if you got R4 tires). And if you have narrow or low things to fit between that may be impacted. Also note the differences between the all-wheel-drive of the x7 and the mechanical 4WD lock of the 1-series. The 1-series definitely offers some benefits but has some drawbacks for lawn use. Plus, if you configure a 1025R with the same implements as a x758 it will cost a bunch more. I compared apples to apples with them both (including 54" blower, 60" mower deck, and rear bagger collection system) and the 1025R was more than 3 grand higher in 2016.

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    If you’re looking at anything beyond mowing, definitely pick up a 1025R. We’ve had a 1/2 acre garden taken care of by both. Once you add the availability of Cat 1 implements, they cost half as much as a garden tractor would. I should have purchased a 1025R first, instead of the X590. But last year we ended up with both.

    We have 5 young children, and our large organic garden was taking up too much time, so we ended up trading the 1025R in for a zero turn, but I can’t wait to get another one when the kids get older.

    I have several videos of gardening with a garden tractor compared to a sub compact.

    https://youtu.be/Wy_eVB2sEes


    https://youtu.be/T4tejEtyXw0
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    I've owned both a 1 series and an X728. They are 2 different machines. I found the X728 to be much more maneuverable for mowing and snow duty. If you need to do loader work, the 1 series is the way to go. However, I don't think the OP mentioned that. So, for mowing and tilling, an X7xx or even an X5xx would be fine on a lot your size, after all I am getting by just fine with a 1 series on 7 acres of open ground. The problem for the OP is the cost of adding the rear PTO and the 3PH in comparison to the cost of the 1 series. Does Deere still make the hydraulic rototiller? That would be a way to not need the rear PTO on the X7xx. If I was in the OP's shoes, I would be getting an X7xx. IMHO they are a better mowing machine. As for gas or diesel, only the OP can make that decision. As someone else said, you only live once.
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