X485 Deck swap issue
Results 1 to 7 of 7
Like Tree13Likes
  • 1 Post By Randog
  • 2 Post By Fozsey
  • 3 Post By Randog
  • 1 Post By Zebrafive
  • 1 Post By Randog
  • 2 Post By Fozsey
  • 3 Post By Randog

Thread: X485 Deck swap issue

  1. Top | #1
    Randog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:12 AM
    Location
    SE Wisconsin
    Posts
    159
    Thanks
    22
    Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts

    X485 Deck swap issue

    Recently I picked up a 2004 X485. Came with the 54C deck.The deck is pretty ratty so I was looking at my 60 mulch compatible from my445. I have 5 large willow trees and the spindles on the 60 will hold up tothe abuse of hitting some branches. (Occasional root) So I checked the PTOcoupler. No problem, same. The 54C uses a bolt for the rear draft arms and theyare open in the back. The 60 uses the spring U bolt set up. So I swapped thoseover and thought I was all set. But no. When I slid the 60 deck under theX485, the front support is not long enough to catch the deck. Around 2 or 3inches short. Both tractors front hangers are the same length. (Differentshape)

    So not willing to throw the towel in just yet, I thought Iwould ask if anyone had done anything like this? My thoughts head towardsswapping the rear draft arms between tractors. But..if they are mounted in adifferent spot, that wont help.

    When my kneecaps recover tomorrow, I will take somemeasurements to see if they are different or what exactly is going on.

    So much for a quick fix!

    Thanks
    Randy


    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190148.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	125.4 KB
ID:	614594
    X485 Left 445 Right

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190353.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	103.9 KB
ID:	614602
    X485 with 60"

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190318.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	110.8 KB
ID:	614610
    My stump grinder

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190548.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	161.9 KB
ID:	614618
    The herd just grazing.
    Oscar Leroy likes this.
    2016 1025R FILB: Loaded R4's - 72# Starters - 60" MMM - Mechanical lift - 260 BH - H120 - 53" bucket - Ballast box - 647 Tiller - JD 40 gal 3 pt sprayer
    2003 X595: R3's - 62C MMM - 3 pt hitch - 47" blower - 80 cart - Brinly 24x36 roller - Parker lawn sweeper - 10 suitcase weights
    1994 445: Sold
    2004 X485 AWS:
    Sold

  2. Remove Advertisements
    GreenTractorTalk.com
    Advertisements
     

  3. Top | #2
    Fozsey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Last Online
    08-17-2019 @ 04:50 AM
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    1,067
    Thanks
    212
    Thanked 165 Times in 128 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Randog View Post
    Recently I picked up a 2004 X485. Came with the 54C deck.The deck is pretty ratty so I was looking at my 60 mulch compatible from my445. I have 5 large willow trees and the spindles on the 60 will hold up tothe abuse of hitting some branches. (Occasional root) So I checked the PTOcoupler. No problem, same. The 54C uses a bolt for the rear draft arms and theyare open in the back. The 60 uses the spring U bolt set up. So I swapped thoseover and thought I was all set. But no. When I slid the 60 deck under theX485, the front support is not long enough to catch the deck. Around 2 or 3inches short. Both tractors front hangers are the same length. (Differentshape)

    So not willing to throw the towel in just yet, I thought Iwould ask if anyone had done anything like this? My thoughts head towardsswapping the rear draft arms between tractors. But..if they are mounted in adifferent spot, that wont help.

    When my kneecaps recover tomorrow, I will take somemeasurements to see if they are different or what exactly is going on.

    So much for a quick fix!

    Thanks
    Randy


    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190148.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	125.4 KB
ID:	614594
    X485 Left 445 Right

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190353.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	103.9 KB
ID:	614602
    X485 with 60"

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190318.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	110.8 KB
ID:	614610
    My stump grinder

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180517_190548.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	161.9 KB
ID:	614618
    The herd just grazing.
    Theres a whole lot going on there that is going to prove this difficult, at best. If the spacing is correct on the lift arm brackets, the length of the arms will need to be correct for the mount placement of them. This will need to be verified. Also, from what I've seen on the x series, the gearbox placement is different effectively changing the lockup angle of the driveshaft. Whether this will have any negative effect is unknown to me. I think your going to need the lift arms from the 445 to have a chance at this. I'm guessing they are different lengths to mach the hanger bracket lateral spacing. Let us know what you find. This has peaked my interest.
    Zebrafive and BigJim55 like this.


    ~Brian~

    1998 425/54 Deck/650 hours | 1998 455/60 Deck/54 Blade/1300 hours | 2003 GX345 48 Deck/47 Blade/Electric Pivot/900 hours (sold)


    Yes I have an addiction and no I don't want help


  4. Top | #3
    Randog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:12 AM
    Location
    SE Wisconsin
    Posts
    159
    Thanks
    22
    Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts

    Throwing in the towel

    Thanks Brian.

    Yah looking at it closer, the wheel base is longer on the X485 than the 445. Making up that distance is going to be tough. The X485 uses a slightly longer driveshaft to allow for the longer forward reach needed. So with that said the rear draft arms are the least of my problems. Remember I still need to put the 54C on the 445. LOL....that ain't happening.

    I will mark this down as your basic hair brained idea that at least I only wasted 2 hours on.

    Lord knows I have pulled some better ones than this!
    2016 1025R FILB: Loaded R4's - 72# Starters - 60" MMM - Mechanical lift - 260 BH - H120 - 53" bucket - Ballast box - 647 Tiller - JD 40 gal 3 pt sprayer
    2003 X595: R3's - 62C MMM - 3 pt hitch - 47" blower - 80 cart - Brinly 24x36 roller - Parker lawn sweeper - 10 suitcase weights
    1994 445: Sold
    2004 X485 AWS:
    Sold

  5. Remove Advertisements
    GreenTractorTalk.com
    Advertisements
     

  6. Top | #4
    Zebrafive's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Last Online
    Today @ 08:51 AM
    Location
    South West Michigan
    Posts
    7,194
    Thanks
    1,523
    Thanked 599 Times in 525 Posts
    If I understand correctly; You had the 60" deck under the x485 and the rear lift arms hooked up and the drive shaft hooked up OK, but the front "U" bar was too short to hook up?

    Have you tried hooking up the drive shaft and front "U" bar and seeing if the deck clears the front tires OK? Being the deck will be forward that couple inches too short? Will the drive shaft be long enough?

    I would try and determine if the front or rear mounts (locations) fore and aft are the same between the two decks. From there, I decide which to modify, front "U" or rear arms.
    BigJim55 likes this.
    J
    John Deere 2030 w/245SL Loader
    John Deere 6415 w/640SL Loader
    John Deere 285 50" deck Stolen May 2017
    John Deere x485 62" deck AWS
    Kawasaki Mule 2510 4x4 bought new 1996
    Ford F250 4x4 bought new 1978

  7. Top | #5
    Randog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:12 AM
    Location
    SE Wisconsin
    Posts
    159
    Thanks
    22
    Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts
    If I connect the front deck hanger, the rear draft arms are too long. Simple...cut them and re-drill. But now my 60" driveshaft is too short. Then one might say, grab the longer one off the 54C deck. That would work if it wasn't half the size. Tiny in comparison. Not up to the task.

    Then to reverse the process since I need to use the 54C on the 445, now I need longer draft arms. etc etc.

    Just seems like a losing battle.
    BigJim55 likes this.
    2016 1025R FILB: Loaded R4's - 72# Starters - 60" MMM - Mechanical lift - 260 BH - H120 - 53" bucket - Ballast box - 647 Tiller - JD 40 gal 3 pt sprayer
    2003 X595: R3's - 62C MMM - 3 pt hitch - 47" blower - 80 cart - Brinly 24x36 roller - Parker lawn sweeper - 10 suitcase weights
    1994 445: Sold
    2004 X485 AWS:
    Sold

  8. Top | #6
    Fozsey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Last Online
    08-17-2019 @ 04:50 AM
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    1,067
    Thanks
    212
    Thanked 165 Times in 128 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Randog View Post
    If I connect the front deck hanger, the rear draft arms are too long. Simple...cut them and re-drill. But now my 60" driveshaft is too short. Then one might say, grab the longer one off the 54C deck. That would work if it wasn't half the size. Tiny in comparison. Not up to the task.

    Then to reverse the process since I need to use the 54C on the 445, now I need longer draft arms. etc etc.

    Just seems like a losing battle.
    This seems to be the consensus based on the little I've read about someone trying it. I don't consider it hairbrained at all. Mother Deere has certainly misengineered plenty that we, as owners, have re-ngineered to function better or to suit our needs. Proof of concept is one thing. I'm certain, given enough time and determination, what you want is possible. The question is whether or not its practical. This is obviously up to the individual. I had thoughts of putting an x series 62c deck on my 455 when I was looking for a 60 because I found one priced low. After some research, and a date with my tape measure I decided to wait for the right deck. I was lucky because my dad has an x720 with a 62 so I had access to actual real world numbers. The other thing that swayed me away was the way the deck was designed and the cheesy way deere designed the idler system and gearbox mount. Those stupid rubber isolators that hold the gearbox on are $14 a piece and the tensioner bushing is plastic. It left me uninspired.
    Zebrafive and BigJim55 like this.


    ~Brian~

    1998 425/54 Deck/650 hours | 1998 455/60 Deck/54 Blade/1300 hours | 2003 GX345 48 Deck/47 Blade/Electric Pivot/900 hours (sold)


    Yes I have an addiction and no I don't want help


  9. Top | #7
    Randog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:12 AM
    Location
    SE Wisconsin
    Posts
    159
    Thanks
    22
    Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts
    Well I took out the 54C for her maiden run and had mixed results. After a little fine tuning I headed out. Cutting just about an acre. The deck has some kind of optional leaf chopping add on. It's a 1" strip bolted to the front left and rear right lower edge of the deck. Has pretty good lift and with sharp blades cut acceptable.
    When I had the deck tipped up, I noticed some unusual wear on the back center of the deck. Looked like the guy was leveling his driveway with it. After I cut the ditch lines I figured out how it got like that. No center roller in the back. Ouch!!!

    Click image for larger version.

Name:	20180519_171756.jpg
Views:	4
Size:	177.2 KB
ID:	615866

    My old 60" has the front and double inside rear rollers. Never has done any damage like this before. That will be my 4-6 week reminder what not to do with the 54C. Not to beat up on the 54C, you should have seen what the 1025r did to these same areas the first time I cut with it. No front rollers and it furrowed a nice pass right in front of my house. Looked at it every morning while sipping my coffee at the picture window.
    When I bought the 1025r, I thought the 60" 7 iron deck was close to the same as my old 60. It is except they saved a few bucks on the anti-scalp rollers. Not to mention the useless gauge wheels. The large turning wheels on the old deck work great on preventing damage. The new ones just smear a piece of sod out, right to the dirt. With that said, the 1025r deck has been used twice and relocated to the back of the garage. Now that was a well spent $2300.00 Should have put that towards a new X series for mowing.
    Truth be told, after the first 1025r backhoe project using the 445 to haul fill away, sealed the deal on having a second tractor. I couldn't pass on the X485 for the price. So now the herd is breeding. I may need to lock up that 1025r at night, I don't want him to have his way with the girls. May just find an LX or X300 parked out there in the morning!
    2016 1025R FILB: Loaded R4's - 72# Starters - 60" MMM - Mechanical lift - 260 BH - H120 - 53" bucket - Ballast box - 647 Tiller - JD 40 gal 3 pt sprayer
    2003 X595: R3's - 62C MMM - 3 pt hitch - 47" blower - 80 cart - Brinly 24x36 roller - Parker lawn sweeper - 10 suitcase weights
    1994 445: Sold
    2004 X485 AWS:
    Sold

  10. Remove Advertisements
    GreenTractorTalk.com
    Advertisements
     

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts