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    Not impressed with 2038 ground clearance

    I was to a dealer today and standing there in the cold rain I noticed for the first time just how low the clearance was on the 2038 with the backhoe installed! One of the main reasons for wanting to upgrade from the 1025 to the 2032-2038 is clearance but what I saw today kinda took the wind out of my sails :-( Any out there wish theirs had more clearance? Thanks for any input.
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    Some tractors are made for ground clearance, some are not. The 2032/8R's draft bar is only a few inches off the ground (7 or 8 I think?). If that matters to you, like if you're going to be in the woods traveling through deep snow or deep mud, this is not the tractor for you.

    If you want something about that size, consider the Kubota B series. Much better ground clearance, and a lot lighter (so better for mowing and some other tasks). But if you look at the transmission on one of those, it's like half the size of the 2R's transmission.
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    Here is a visual guide taken from Deere's VS video showing the 2032 or 2038 next to a Kubota B2650 or B3350.

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    The yellow line shows the Deere's ground clearance. You can see a substantial difference. But...look at how much beefier the Deere's transmission is.

    Everything comes at a price, and Deere and Kubota made some very different choices with these competing machines.

    I like the 2R a lot more than the Kubota B. But, I have to admit that the Kubota makes more sense. I'm not the first one to say that the large 2R is kind of an odd duck. It's basically a premium 3E with deluxe features and smaller tires to magically stick it in a lower size bracket and give it advantages over its competition. Whereas the large frame Kubota B is a much lighter machine despite being the same size, which gives people a solid reason to buy it instead of a smaller-frame L, which is a little larger and substantially heavier (it's a 3 series competitor). Lighter tractor, less lawn damage, etc. If you want the weight, get the L.

    I believe Kubota is the market leader for small compacts and subcompacts, so everything Deere does is to one up them. Your B series is beating our 2 series? Well we'll just put a larger tractor on smaller tires and make it better than yours!

    And...I think it worked. It is better in most ways.

    Back to the original issue...none of the Deere compacts up to the 3 (or was it 4?) series have impressive ground clearance under the draw bar, it's just part of how they are designed. But the large frame 2R's ground clearance is particularly bad precisely because it is a larger tractor sitting on smaller tires.

    But that gives it an advantage too...it has a very low center of gravity. With the wheel spacers installed, I have never sat on a more stable tractor (except the little lawn tractors of course). I take it on side slopes that I was too scared to go with a 1025R, without hesitation, and that's without a mower deck underneath the 2R (which lowers COG).
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    The 3E series has 13 inches of ground clearance. It's one of the reasons I bought a 3025E. I have 18 acres and 16 of them are woods. I kept hitting the cooling fan blades on my 2210 whenever I ventured in the woods so I traded it in on a 3E. The new 3E's can be had with a backhoe or you can get a Woods BH that is designed for it. No mid mounted mower/ mid or front PTO so if that's a requirement then it won't work for you. It's a great tractor but doesn't have nearly the bells and whistles a 3R series does but I have never had a lot of options on my tractors so I don't know what I am missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69project View Post
    The 3E series has 13 inches of ground clearance.
    That's at the front axle though, no? What's the clearance under the rear end?

    Back when I was shopping back almost 5 years ago, I was debating between the 2032R and 3032E and as I recall they were almost identical as far as ground clearance. They were both right at 13" under the front axle and about 9" at the rear end.

    When Deere redesigned the 2032R and came up with the 2038R, they lost 1.5" in the back end. Now they have ~7.5" at the back end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimR View Post
    That's at the front axle though, no? What's the clearance under the rear end?
    And is that with or without a draw bar. 3Es don't come with standard drawbars, and drawbars take a couple of inches of ground clearance away.

    The 3E transmission is very similar to that of the large 2R, so ground clearance should be nearly identical + extra tire size. So if you have 41" tires, you should have 2.5" more. If you have 43" tires, you should have about 3.5" more.
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    I love a lot of ground clearance,, but,,, a lower tractor will have a lower C/G,,,

    Keep the C/G as low as possible, there is less chance of a rollover,,

    That Deere in the pic above also looks wider,, wider would also act like a lower C/G.

    I watched a video recently about a stuck D8 CAT,,

    they were trying to pull the D8 out, and a JD 750 dozer was running around filling in the ruts the D8 was causing.

    Someone in the video asked why the JD 750 was not getting stuck,
    the other guy in the video said it did not sink because the JD 750 was so much lighter,,
    sometimes weight is good,, sometimes a light machine is better,,
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    I have a 2038r and lots of woods. So far Iíve only drug bottom (that I know of) once. But in that case it didnít really matter since the mud just opened up and swallowed it.

    Iíd guess Iíve lightly rubbed bottom in the rear while subsoiling/disking/tilling the garden but not noticeable. Sure if you were routinely on trails that have ruts... But if you have a tractor you should be fixing those before they become massive anyway.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mike01 View Post
    And is that with or without a draw bar. 3Es don't come with standard drawbars, and drawbars take a couple of inches of ground clearance away.
    At the time it didn't matter. In 2014 both had 9" of ground clearance at the rear end from the factory.

    The 3E transmission is very similar to that of the large 2R, so ground clearance should be nearly identical + extra tire size. So if you have 41" tires, you should have 2.5" more. If you have 43" tires, you should have about 3.5" more.
    Ok, let's clarify here. The current 3E... You say "the 3E" but the 3E series machines were redesigned a couple of times. Once in 2013 and again in 2017. The older 3E's are different machines. In addition to a different transmission cases, a part of the 2017 redesign was larger tires for more ground clearance. So, you may well have 13" on a current 3E machine. The older 3E models had less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valley Boy View Post
    I was to a dealer today and standing there in the cold rain I noticed for the first time just how low the clearance was on the 2038 with the backhoe installed! One of the main reasons for wanting to upgrade from the 1025 to the 2032-2038 is clearance but what I saw today kinda took the wind out of my sails :-( Any out there wish theirs had more clearance? Thanks for any input.
    Yep - this was discussed when the new 2-series first came out. My X500 garden tractor has more ground clearance in the rear. :-)
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