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    Just read an ad where an owner of a 1026r traded for a 2025r stating a needed upgrade. Both had loaders and mmm. Besides a minor frame difference, 200# of weight , both approximately 25 hp, ....... what am I missing as far as the upgrade. The 1026 was very low hour and not a scratch. Would the loader and mower not work on both machines ?
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    I’ve seen a lot of this on our forum the past couple years. Even people “upgrading” from a 1-series to a 1-series.....

    I don’t know - I guess I am more of a buy a tractor for life type....
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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltrain View Post
    I’ve seen a lot of this on our forum the past couple years. Even people “upgrading” from a 1-series to a 1-series.....

    I don’t know - I guess I am more of a buy a tractor for life type....
    I am more of the same. Little ( 20 hp ) , large ( 55hp ) covers all my needs. The large gets the backhoe, small has the MMM and vacuum. Very satisfied with both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coaltrain View Post
    I’ve seen a lot of this on our forum the past couple years. Even people “upgrading” from a 1-series to a 1-series.....

    I don’t know - I guess I am more of a buy a tractor for life type....
    I guess I resemble that remark. Still using the 214 we got in 1979. Too bad it couldn't accommodate the loader and backhoe.
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    I owned a 1994 JD770 which I thought I would own for life. However, the bottom mower failed twice and JD did not have one compatible for the 770. I began to worry about what other problems I would face with spare parts. I looked at the 1025R and 2025R and decided to trade for the 2025R...The one difference which was important to me was the additional height of the 2025R...much better in snow plowing here in Western NY.

    Also, the $8500 trade for the 2025R plus various 2 series discounts made the cost of the 2025R close to the 1025R.

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    I went from a 1023 to the new 2025 almost a year ago. When I bought my 1023 we had only a few things in mind for it, quickly discovered the many more things that could be done, mainly in the potato field and horse pastures. At the same time I had no real need to go "big", we have several larger AG tractors at my disposal if needed. The 2025R seemed to fit my needs and our property much better, it is more capable due to the larger tires and 3 point lift capacity. The other reason I stuck with the 2025 instead of the larger 2R's or 3 series is we already had several implements that are compatible with this tractor. Had this tractor come out 8 months sooner than it did I might have bought this first, I have no intention of getting rid of this tractor. I may down the road purchase a larger tractor, but as an addition to the fleet, not as a replacement for the 2025.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agent blue View Post
    Just read an ad where an owner of a 1026r traded for a 2025r stating a needed upgrade. Both had loaders and mmm. Besides a minor frame difference, 200# of weight , both approximately 25 hp, ....... what am I missing as far as the upgrade. The 1026 was very low hour and not a scratch. Would the loader and mower not work on both machines ?
    Might ask in the thread you read it in. Only the guy that did it can tell you why he felt the need to do so.

    I can say that there are a whole lot more differences than minor frame differences and 200 pounds of weight.
    Weight alone, 1025R without attachments is 1444, 2025R without attachments is 1793. Looks like 349 pounds to me. The frames are actually quite a bit different, which is where quite a bit of the weight comes from.
    There is more lift on the loader, better overall traction, better ride, better ground clearance, better 3 point lift, and so on.
    If a person was only concerned about engine power, then yes, seems odd to upgrade, but most people look at a lot more than that when considering upgrading or purchasing.
    Also, as Pat mentioned, several people buy a tractor with a plan of what they intend to do with it, then quickly realize that they are just a bit too small.

    And no, the loader and mower will not work on both machines. Frame differences, height differences...etc.
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    I'll add that it's also 6" longer in length. The bigger tires and larger frame help a lot with certain implements. For example, a bush hog. I run a 5' behind my 2025R and it handles it with no problems what so ever. The same mower on a 1023E or 1025R is a bit much because of the smaller size.

    Go to a dealer, hop on a 1 series, then jump on a 2025R. You'll instantly notice a difference.
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    I went from a 2305 to a 2720 and used the same loader. The loader works way better on the 2720, more stable, faster cycle times, lifts higher and more capacity. While some of this is due to more HP more of it from the increased weight , tires size and stability due to the 2720 being longer and wider.

    If just mowing I doubt you'd see much of a difference but start clearing snow or doing any kind of ground engaging work and you'll quickly see the advantage of a 2 series.

    Some other things I noticed was that the limited Cat 1 hitch on the 1 series didn't have a proper draft control on the 3 pt hitch, it was all up or down. Also it didn't have steering brakes. I didn't realize how useful these were till I got the 2720.

    Basically the 1 series are ride on mowers with a loader and 3pt hitch.
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    Engine HP in a tractor isn't remotely as important as people seem to think. Tractor manufacturers love to market them by hp because it's easier to slap a turbo on an engine than it is to strengthen the frame and transmission to increase lift capacity. Look at all the guys with 3025Es zipping around with the large PTO powered implements that others bought much more powerful tractors for because they "needed the HP" to run them.

    But in the case of the 1025 vs the 2025, I don't think the actually capabilities are why people trade. The 2025 can do a little more, but not enough that it's worth upgrading in a practical sense unless you're not losing money on it. But it does have a better ride, more clearance, and a lot of people like the higher seating position. And you can put enough ballast in the rear tires that it will expand your loader capabilities beyond what the specs suggest (over the 1025). But is there anything you can do with a 2025 that you can't do with a 1025? No.

    I think people upgrade because we are all enthusiasts. If we we weren't, we wouldn't be on this forum.

    There's a video on youtube where a guy talks about his new 2038R. He says he had a 1025R and traded it. He then says something to the effect of, "Did I need it? No. The 1025 did everything I needed it to do. I just like tractors." I'm the same way. I didn't need a 2032R. My 1025 did everything I wanted it to do, and it did it well. But I really like the 2032R, so I got one. And the 2032 did what the 1025 could not. It made me happy.

    So I think that's your answer. Some people upgrade in ways that don't seem to make practical sense because they just like tractors, and they make them happy.
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