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    Lifting maximum with H120 Loader on 1025R by leaving off bucket or forks.

    I would like to lift the maximum weight using the above combination. What I'm lifting are 12 trees with root balls. Root balls are encased in wire mesh with nylon straps attached as lifts. They are sitting on the deck of a flat bed trailer.

    Using pallet forks I can't lift them off of the flat bed trailer deck. Close, but not quite enough oomph. With the bucket and bolt on hooks I can't lift them either. My thought is that if I could use the loader frame alone to lift, I might manage them. Not having the bucket would add over 100# to the lifting capacity. Not using the pallet forks would add around 200#. The frame alone of the pallet fork weighs about the same as the Deere 48 inch bucket.

    Can I use the loader alone (no bucket, no fork frame)with a sling to lift?

    This isn't my tree, but this will give you an idea of the size. My roots are still wrapped in burlap and wire, and the trees are still dormant.

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    I would think so just have ballast on the back and ease. Them to the ground. Good luck


    have you thought just use your sling over your quick attach top mounts. Why use fork frame??? I see people using rollers on the quick attach frame to store the H120 without anything on front.
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    If the loader frame has a cross bar behind the bucket that is strong enough you could put a hook on center. I would not put it off center as it could twist the frame or cause a tipping situation. On my bobcat I welded a hook on the center frame for pulling posts, not for the extra lift as much for ease of doing it. Moving it back though will give you more lifting power but a recessed grill if the swings a lot.
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    You would gain extra lift power without the bucket and fork frame on. You would then be relying on the cross tube by itself to lift with and then not bend without the extra cross support you used to have before you took them off. As heavy as the trees are I would try to find a neighbor with a bigger tractor, rent a off-road forklift if you have a equipment rental place close or make a small mess and take some dirt off the bulbs so you can lift them with straps and the bucket or slide them into the bucket and secure them to the frame so they don't fall out. I would rather do that then take a chance of bending or twisting my loader frame. That's just my 2 cents at 4:27 in the morning. Good luck! Let's us know how you make out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wentonbrown View Post
    You would gain extra lift power without the bucket and fork frame on. You would then be relying on the cross tube by itself to lift with and then not bend without the extra cross support you used to have before you took them off. As heavy as the trees are I would try to find a neighbor with a bigger tractor, rent a off-road forklift if you have a equipment rental place close or make a small mess and take some dirt off the bulbs so you can lift them with straps and the bucket or slide them into the bucket and secure them to the frame so they don't fall out. I would rather do that then take a chance of bending or twisting my loader frame. That's just my 2 cents at 4:27 in the morning. Good luck! Let's us know how you make out.
    You make a lot of sense. You don't want to spring the loader frame. I would try and figure something out.
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    What about just removing the forks, and attaching the straps to the frame? If it's the Artillian frame there is even slots in the end for chains or straps with rings.

    I personally do not think it's a great idea to use the loader with nothing attached, the frame of the implement is what keeps the two dump/curl cylinders in time and adds rigidity to the system IMHO.
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    Would a 3pt attachment, such as a boom pole, work for you? The 3pt hitch does have a higher load capacity.
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    "Using pallet forks I can't lift them off of the flat bed trailer deck. Close, but not quite enough oomph.
    This isn't my tree, but this will give you an idea of the size. My roots are still wrapped in burlap and wire, and the trees are still dormant..."

    Using the shovel handle for scale, I suspect that you might have a mechanical issue-perhaps a need for hydraulic pressure adjustment. My 1025R FILB routinely picks up Heritage Birch to load larger rootballs with 4 or 5 18 foot high stalks using Artillian Forks, and then I unload them to plant at grade in 5 foot diameter holes that are three feet deep. There is some groaning and whining and front tire squishing, and a need for a feather touch on the SCV to lower them from a truck bed, but my tractor handles them OK. I would not ever attempt to use the H120 frame without a bucket or a fork frame. It will twist for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredDoc View Post
    I would like to lift the maximum weight using the above combination. What I'm lifting are 12 trees with root balls. Root balls are encased in wire mesh with nylon straps attached as lifts. They are sitting on the deck of a flat bed trailer.

    Using pallet forks I can't lift them off of the flat bed trailer deck. Close, but not quite enough oomph. With the bucket and bolt on hooks I can't lift them either. My thought is that if I could use the loader frame alone to lift, I might manage them. Not having the bucket would add over 100# to the lifting capacity. Not using the pallet forks would add around 200#. The frame alone of the pallet fork weighs about the same as the Deere 48 inch bucket.

    Can I use the loader alone (no bucket, no fork frame)with a sling to lift?

    This isn't my tree, but this will give you an idea of the size. My roots are still wrapped in burlap and wire, and the trees are still dormant.

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    Don't do it doc. That skinny rod just behind the bucket bends like a toothpick my machine just got serviced for that. Artillian makes a lighter fork frame than the Deere/frontier one which means more lifting power for you. Also Kenny of Grab hooks fame sells the hydraulic gauges that plug into the hydraulic quick coupler - make sure you're producing enough pressure 2000 plus psi I believe. It can be adjusted up if it's not meeting that benchmark.

    And just remember to keep that lever arm working to your advantage by keeping load as close to you as possible - sometimes the forks of it loads too far out for the machine to lift properly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyd View Post
    What about just removing the forks, and attaching the straps to the frame? If it's the Artillian frame there is even slots in the end for chains or straps with rings.

    I personally do not think it's a great idea to use the loader with nothing attached, the frame of the implement is what keeps the two dump/curl cylinders in time and adds rigidity to the system IMHO.
    My pallet fork frame and my bucket weigh almost the same, so I wouldn't gain any lifting ability with the frame sans forks vs the bucket.

    This morning, a guy with a big tractor doing some work for my neighbor unloaded them for me. Paid him $50 and he placed each tree next to its planting spot.

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