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    Can Rear PTO on JD 1025 power an auger to cut underground path for irrigation pipe?

    My home irrigation system has a PVC water pipe that runs under a driveway apron that is about 15 ft wide. Somewhere along that 15 ft length, under the driveway, this pipe is leaking. I want to replace it with a steel pipe to avoid this happening again. Since the Rear PTO of my JD 1025 spins parallel to the ground, I was wondering if there is some kind of parallel-to-the-ground auger that I could fit on this PTO to cut a path under the driveway apron for this steel pipe? Anybody have experience with that?

    In the alternative, I am thinking about the possibility of using my Artillian Forks, or one thereof, to push the steel pipe underneath the driveway apron, assuming I can get a stable-enough connection between the pipe and the Fork to take full advantage of the power of the tractor.

    I know there's a lot of suggestions on The Web about using a water hose forcefully squirting water to cut a path for this pipe underneath this concrete, but I'd like to avoid that mess if possible.

    Does anybody have any experience in this kind of chore? Any suggestions appreciated.

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    I use a pipe hooked to water all the time to go under sidewalks with irrigation and plumbing. I did a driveway that way once too. Normally on roads or driveways I use a pneumatic boring tool. I hook it up to an air compressor that will put out at least 185 cfm.

    It does not take a lot of power with a rotary boring tool. I have a small boring machine which runs off a weed eater motor. I have bored over 40' under roads with that when tying into city water for customers. I even used it on one crossing which the pneumatic boring tool could not work because of stiff soils. It surprised me that the little weed eater boring tool did so well.

    For a one time use I would either rent a boring tool or use water to jet through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultrapile View Post
    I use a pipe hooked to water all the time to go under sidewalks with irrigation and plumbing. I did a driveway that way once too. Normally on roads or driveways I use a pneumatic boring tool. I hook it up to an air compressor that will put out at least 185 cfm.

    It does not take a lot of power with a rotary boring tool. I have a small boring machine which runs off a weed eater motor. I have bored over 40' under roads with that when tying into city water for customers. I even used it on one crossing which the pneumatic boring tool could not work because of stiff soils. It surprised me that the little weed eater boring tool did so well.

    For a one time use I would either rent a boring tool or use water to jet through.
    Thanks very much! Given your experience, I'll have to reconsider my idea of using the tractor fork or auger!

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    I am not too sure about pushing it with a fork. I have never done it that way. Maybe someone else here has. It could go off course very easily on a push that way. Most likely you would end up with the line deeper at the exiting end unless you have a way of setting the tractor deeper in the ground so you can push straight. That would be a bigger mess than water jetting.

    Possibly you can attach something on the end of the fork which will be lower in your trench so the pipe will be pushed straighter. What size pipe are you running?
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    Tarzane, let me toss this out. Dig a hole on each side of the drive way, cut the pipe on each side of the drive way, backup the Deere and fasten a cable to one end of the pipe and then to the Deere, and on the other end of the pipe fasten a pull wire. Jump on the Deere and pull away when old pipe is removed fasten new pipe to pull cable and pull away. If pushing will not work, go with pulling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Tarzane, let me toss this out. Dig a hole on each side of the drive way, cut the pipe on each side of the drive way, backup the Deere and fasten a cable to one end of the pipe and then to the Deere, and on the other end of the pipe fasten a pull wire. Jump on the Deere and pull away when old pipe is removed fasten new pipe to pull cable and pull away. If pushing will not work, go with pulling.

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    Feed the cable through the old pipe, then pull (with the John Deere, of course) the new pipe through and the old pipe out, simultaneously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarzane View Post
    My home irrigation system has a PVC water pipe that runs under a driveway apron that is about 15 ft wide. Somewhere along that 15 ft length, under the driveway, this pipe is leaking.
    Tarzane,

    Why is the pipe leaking? I suspect it froze and cracked over the past winter. If that's the case, the new pipe should be installed deeper to avoid freezing temperatures. This may require removing some driveway and digging a trench at least 4' deep for the new pipe.
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    Doug is right, if the you are able to string a cable through the old pipe, pulling the new pipe would be hands down much better than pushing. I should have thought of that. We rarely do it, but many companies do it for replacing municipal lines.

    What part of Texas are you in? How deep is the line? Much of the subsurface pipe breaking in the majority of Texas has to do with expansive soil movement and moisture content. In west Texas or the panhandle there is not much soil movement. North Texas may get some freezing issues rarely subsurface. This may have been one of those rare subsurface years though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultrapile View Post
    Doug is right, if the you are able to string a cable through the old pipe, pulling the new pipe would be hands down much better than pushing. I should have thought of that. We rarely do it, but many companies do it for replacing municipal lines.
    This reminds me of an old South African joke. They have a character named Van de Merwe (pronounced MER-ve), and this guy is the butt of all jokes, and also the perpetrator of many .

    Anyway, Van de Merwe is walking down the street pulling a piece of string and his friend stops him and says, "Van de Merwe, why are you pulling that piece of string down the street?" He responds, "Aw geeez, you are so stupid, have you ever tried pushing one???"
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