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    Saggy loader

    My loader keeps bleeding off. But when I check my hydro fluid it’s full. My 1025 r is less then a year old and have never unhooked the loader. Air in lines bad seal. I use the dip stick on the back to check fluid level. An it says it’s full. I feel like I’m missing something.

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    Which portion of FEL leaks down boom or bucket or both? How long does it take to leak down?

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    I would set the bucket about 2' off the ground, measure it, and record how many inches it drops. I had a severe leak down a year ago on my 1023, turned out to be internal cylinder seals and the SCV. I believe the H120 and 120R on a 1 series have a tolerance of around 3.5" per hour.
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    1025 loader bleeding down

    I had new, less than 30 hour 1025r and it started dropping. Talked to dealer and they told me that the tolerance was 7 inches per hour. I thought that was ridicules, but they came out and measured it. Turns out it dropped 10 inches in 1 hour empty and 10 inches in 45 seconds about half full of gravel. Luckily, I meet the minimum and they replaced both cylinders on the loader. They didn't happen to tell me how sloppy their specs were when I was comparing with Kubota. Very happy with the tractor overall, and since they fixed it, I'm a happy man.
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    Sometimes a saggy loader can work for you.

    One of my horses managed to lift up this 75 pound dutch stall door off its hinge pins and drop it.

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    The vertical lift of the 1025R wasn't enough to lift it high enough with a sling and bucket hooks, so I put in into the bucket. Trying to get the 2 hinges lined up and lower the door onto the pins was impossible with just one person. So I raised it slightly high, shut down and got off the tractor, and was able to guide it into place manually as the loader slowly leaked down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinwlsn View Post
    My loader keeps bleeding off. But when I check my hydro fluid it’s full. My 1025 r is less then a year old and have never unhooked the loader. Air in lines bad seal. I use the dip stick on the back to check fluid level. An it says it’s full. I feel like I’m missing something.
    It is not likely air in the lines; it is basically a sealed system. (Although there is air in the sump.). If one installs a new cylinder with air in it, the system will purge the air with a few cycles of the cylinder.
    If you're not noticing noticeable leaks, then your not losing oil. Hydraulic leaks on cylinders are easy to detect - the oil attracts all manner of dirt and generally creates an unsightly mess.

    Almost all cylinders will "leak down" - the manual for my loader gives the acceptable "leak down rates" for differing loads. If it is leaking down faster than the manual states, it is either the packing in the cylinders or the seals in the valve. I recommend starting with some basic diagnostic procedures. If you connect the lift cylinder hoses to the bucket curl outlets and visa-versa and the same cylinders leak down, it is most likely the packing in the cylinders. If the issue moves to the other cylinders, its likely the SCV.

    This is almost always an issue with the cylinders - oil leaking past the packing on the piston. The pistons move as the oil slowly leaks past the piston. It can happen if only one is leaking as they are plumbed in pairs and the amount oil on each side of the piston will equalize. It can take some time but one can rebuild them with some basic tools and patience. There's videos on YouTube that demonstrate the process. Or your dealer or local hydraulic repair shop can do it.

    If its the SCV, you may be able to rebuild it but that's not something I'm familiar with.

    Given the loader has never been unhooked, I'd be really surprised if something has gotten into the system and damaged the SCV.
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    I found this chart one day questioning the same thing. Last entry is for h120.




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    If 5”/hour is the rate I have a test scenario to play out. I feel mine drops quick


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    FYI, check your quick connects. Common point of failure if you're leaking down too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemachine69 View Post
    FYI, check your quick connects. Common point of failure if you're leaking down too much.

    If the QD's are at fault, there would be visible leaking. Cylinders and valve can and do leak/bypass internally with no visible signs of leakage.
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