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    I don't see the reason for the 1025R. Is there something different about this tractor? Ive looked at the specs, and it all seems about the same as the 1026R with a little less power. Some would even say that there is no reason for the 1023E. I bought a 1023E and I feel like im in the minority in the scut world on this forum because "you might as well get the 1026R". What am I missing? Why do we need 3 scuts?

    I really don't know if this has been talked about before and I am not very educated on the 1025R. But it seems unnecessary to me. I just got home from work, im tired and confused.

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    Federal rules for emissions cuts off at 25 HP. The 1026R would have to fall in line with higher diesel emissions rules. So by cutting it back to 25 HP they don't have to, hence the 1025R. The 1026R will not be available as a 2013 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 636mullet View Post
    Federal rules for emissions cuts off at 25 HP. The 1026R would have to fall in line with higher diesel emissions rules. So by cutting it back to 25 HP they don't have to, hence the 1025R. The 1026R will not be available as a 2013 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselshadow View Post
    Yup, what he said. Soon there will only be the 1025R and 1023E.
    The HP difference between the 1025R and 1023E is only 1.8 HP for the 2013 model. I would guess torque curves are broader on the 1025R.

    Yanmar spec's on the 1026R as #3TNV76-CSA (25.1 HP @ 3200 RPM) net, and Max. Torque (ft-lb)
    49.1 @ 2300 rpm.

    Yanmar spec's on the 1023E as #3TNM72-AMW (23.6 HP @ 3600 RPM) net, and Max. Torque (ft-lb)
    40.9 @ 2600 rpm.

    I could not find any Yamar spec's on the #3TNV80 usage in the 1025R. I did find that JD and Yanmar spec thing differently.
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    With .1 HP too much one would think they'd just restrict the exhaust or intake a smidge and call it good. The loss in torque seems a bit high for a reduction in HP...

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    Oh, I didnt know the 1026r was going away. That seems a little silly but its the government so its not surprising.

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    Also the engine in the new 1025R is the tier 4 emissions engine. The 1026R has a tier 3 emissions engine (and I think the 1023e does also, which makes me think that the 1023e will become the 1020e in the near future, maybe MY2014? I believe I also heard that the new 2 series will be a 2020e and a 2025r in line with the 1-series.
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    The 1026R was/is Tier 4 Interim. The "new" cutoff for Tier 4 is 25 hp and below. So no the 1023E will stay the same and the 1025R will not have to change. If either were to be full Tier 4 in the above 25 HP class they would have to get DEF tanks or some kind of elaborate emissions system. The 25 hp and below rule is the reason the 1026R went down .1 HP to a 1025R. This is what I believe, someone please feel free to correct me if I missed something or f'd up the story...


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    That my understanding as well. Otherwise they would have left the designation. 1026. They derate it to keep from having to make it tier4
    This is why they are derating the 2720 as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by 636mullet View Post
    The 1026R was/is Tier 4 Interim. The "new" cutoff for Tier 4 is 25 hp and below. So no the 1023E will stay the same and the 1025R will not have to change. If either were to be full Tier 4 in the above 25 HP class they would have to get DEF tanks or some kind of elaborate emissions system. The 25 hp and below rule is the reason the 1026R went down .1 HP to a 1025R.
    Yup, What he said ^^^^

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    That my understanding as well. Otherwise they would have left the designation. 1026. They derate it to keep from having to make it tier4
    This is why they are derating the 2720 as well
    I haven't heard of the new 2R series being derated as well. JD still hasn't posted the info yet. The going consensus is the 2720 will be renumbered to 2032R.
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