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    Considering Adding Backhoe

    I am considering adding the backhoe to my tractor . What are the differences between buying a FILB vs. adding it on ? Does the kit come with everything you need except the power beyond kit ? Should I have it installed or can it be installed at home ? If I have it installed , what would be a reasonable out the door price ?
    Any advice would be appreciated . I have realized that I may not need it often , but it sucks when you need it and don't have it . Thanks

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    The cost savings is in factory installed because - the frame on your scut isn't strong enough as is so along with the install kit is a frame that will slide inside your existing frame and once everything is back together will be essentially a double frame. Cost vary slightly by dealer so it depends on your comfort level how far you are willing to tear your machine down to.


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    Well, installing a BH isn't just adding on items. There are allot of items that are different. For one, you didn't say whether you have an FEL on the tractor. You will need an FEL as the BH frame attaches to the FEL frame. The other items that are changed are: the toolbox mount is rotated so that the toolbox is parallel with the tractor rather than perpendicular, the rear PTO guard is different. The right side of the guard is rubber, the ROPS lights are mounted higher and the seat is mounted to a swivel mount.
    So, you would want to ask if the BH kit includes new toolbox mount bracket, new PTO guard, the swivel seat mount and the longer wiring harnesses to move the ROPS lights higher not to mention the power beyond kit.
    The BH and power beyond kit will set up back about $5375.00 plus, plus, plus for the other items. I know the rotating seat bracket is crazy expensive if you have to buy it separate. I believe it is around $600.00
    Whatever you decide, be sure to way all the costs. It may be more cost effective to trade in the non FILB on an FILB. If you buy the FILB, you get the longer warranty on all attachments.
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    Wait a second. When I bought my 1025r the big selling point over the BX was that it was a piece of cake to add the backhoe at a later date. Yes a couple mods have to be done, but I was told the frame is exactly the same and no changes would be needed and no additions. As long as you have the H120 loader. Are you saying that is not the case?

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    Considering Adding Backhoe

    Quote Originally Posted by KD7CAO View Post
    Wait a second. When I bought my 1025r the big selling point over the BX was that it was a piece of cake to add the backhoe at a later date. Yes a couple mods have to be done, but I was told the frame is exactly the same and no changes would be needed and no additions. As long as you have the H120 loader. Are you saying that is not the case?

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    That is correct. You can get all the parts needed to make a tractor identical to a factory TLB. There is no differences between the frames or other parts, just additional ones that make a TLB. For example, the subframe is added to the regular tractor frame for reinforcements. The power beyond hydraulic loop is added as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KD7CAO View Post
    Wait a second. When I bought my 1025r the big selling point over the BX was that it was a piece of cake to add the backhoe at a later date. Yes a couple mods have to be done, but I was told the frame is exactly the same and no changes would be needed and no additions. As long as you have the H120 loader. Are you saying that is not the case?

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    If I understand correctly the mounts for the BH attach to the frame giving you an attachment point and also spreads the load out across the frame.

    In the case of the BX, this has to be done during assembly at the factory and cannot be done afterwards as an upgrade.

    It was all in the fine print....
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    1025 tlb

    When I got mine I was torn about getting the backhoe, one salesman at one dealer said it isn't hard or too expensive to add on later. Went to another dealer and asked about it, he said if people come in with a 1025 and want to add one later, he recommends they trade it in, and buy a factory one. Just cheaper in the long run to get it as a package deal. Did a little research calling dealers farther away and they all had similar opinions, if you think you will add it in later just buy it all at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselshadow View Post
    That is correct. You can get all the parts needed to make a tractor identical to a factory TLB. There is no differences between the frames or other parts, just additional ones that make a TLB. For example, the subframe is added to the regular tractor frame for reinforcements. The power beyond hydraulic loop is added as well.
    See they said there was no subframe, you just remove the 3-Point arms and connect the BH arms in place. Plug in the Power Beyond which I installed aftermarket in about 4 hours. And other than moving toolbox and changing seat plate to a swivel you are good to go. They said lights don't have to move as they are not technically in the way. The only reason for the H120 was for stability on front end, but the BH doesn't actually connect to it.

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    I agree with Mr jimmy and everyone else. I have the 1025r filb and the dealer said buy the hoe factory installed. Best way to go. Take your time and decide if it's going to be used or if the couple tasks can be accomplished without it by another way. You'll never know the future really. It is awesome to have.
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    Hiya,

    One factor you need to keep in mind when deciding to get a back hoe of your own is the amount of time you will actually use it vs the cost factor. If your planning on using it once or twice every week for the duration of ownership, then it makes very good sense to invest in one. However, if you don't see a lot of use past the first weeks of owning it, then you may be better off in the long run by renting a 3 or 5 ton excavator for a day or 2 to do your projects.

    Another factor is that a 3 ton excavator will run circles around 1, 2 or 3 series backhoe. The rate of work is what separates a tractor/back hoe from an excavator. What may take you a full day to accomplish with the small BH on a 1 series can be done in a couple hours, maybe less with an excavator.

    The place down the road from me rents 3 ton excavators for $250/8 hours and 5 ton units for $350/8 hours. You can rent one for a day or 2, get your projects done quickly and save a bunch of cash.
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