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    What's the difference between1025R TLB and 1025R FILB?

    When I did a search to try to find out what FILB meant in the term 1025R FILB, I was taken to the Deere web site for the 1025R TLB. I understand that the initials FILB are Factory-Installed-Loader-Backhoe, and TLB is Tractor-Loader-Backhoe. Does that mean the TLB has a dealer installed loader and backhoe? And, my 1025R has a loader but no backhoe. What is it called by John Deere? A 1025R FIL? Or a 1025R TL? Thanks.

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    Technically, the 1025R with a factory installed FEL and BH is labeled 1025R TLB. The FILB is another designation the means the same thing. Simply, the FEL and BH are OEM installed on the tractor, not dealer installed.
    The 1025R that is not a TLB, is simply a 1025R with added attachments such as an FEL.
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    The term FILB was coined right here on GTT. JD uses the TLB designation but doesn't necessarily distinguish between factory or dealer assembled.
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    FILB just stands for Factory Installed Loader Backhoe. Officially John Deere just calls a factory installed model a TLB on the website. But a dealer can also take a non backhoe model and obviously make a TLB out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselshadow View Post
    The term FILB was coined right here on GTT. JD uses the TLB designation but doesn't necessarily distinguish between factory or dealer assembled.
    I'm skeptical of this claim as JD has used FILB in their marketing materials.

    Here is an example (from Canada): http://www.deere.ca/en_CA/docs/html/...id=37fc90e8#10
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    There is one big difference that I haven't seen mentioned yet so I will throw this out there.

    One of the differences is the warranty.

    You can have two 1025R machines with a Loader and a Backhoe sitting side by side at the dealer and the warranty may be different.

    If the dealer ordered and added the Backhoe as an attachment it is only covered under the 1 year attachment warranty where the tractor is covered under a 2 year warranty. Now if the same Backhoe was installed at the factory and not the dealer it is covered for 2 years. Same goes for the loader.

    Also it is typically more expensive to add the Backhoe at the dealer than at the factory.
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    Even John Deere isn't consistent with using TLB or FILB (two different web pages).


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    Quote Originally Posted by sennister View Post
    There is one big difference that I haven't seen mentioned yet so I will throw this out there.

    One of the differences is the warranty.

    You can have two 1025R machines with a Loader and a Backhoe sitting side by side at the dealer and the warranty may be different.

    If the dealer ordered and added the Backhoe as an attachment it is only covered under the 1 year attachment warranty where the tractor is covered under a 2 year warranty. Now if the same Backhoe was installed at the factory and not the dealer it is covered for 2 years. Same goes for the loader.

    Also it is typically more expensive to add the Backhoe at the dealer than at the factory.
    Agreed!!! The official TLB has the BH and FEL factory installed, hence the FILB designation. If the BH and FEL are not OEM installed, the tractor is not an official TLB in JD's book and in their book, it affects the warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sennister View Post
    If the dealer ordered and added the Backhoe as an attachment it is only covered under the 1 year attachment warranty where the tractor is covered under a 2 year warranty. Now if the same Backhoe was installed at the factory and not the dealer it is covered for 2 years. Same goes for the loader.
    I specifically inquired about this when purchasing my 1025r FILB. The fact that the loader and backhoe was factory installed had no effect on the warranty. The tractor had a two year warranty, the loader and backhoe - a one year warranty.

    Perhaps things have changed, but I would want to verify that claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W9GFO View Post
    I specifically inquired about this when purchasing my 1025r FILB. The fact that the loader and backhoe was factory installed had no effect on the warranty. The tractor had a two year warranty, the loader and backhoe - a one year warranty.

    Perhaps things have changed, but I would want to verify that claim.
    It is tricky wording in the warranty JD warranty policy. This statement is at the bottom of the warranty policy: **Attachments purchased on the same Purchase Order as the Equipment listed will be covered by the Equipment’s warranty terms. Attachments purchased separately will be covered by the attachment warranty (in line 12).
    The issue is, this statement does not apply to sub-compact tractors. So, attachments that are bought with a sub-compacts are only warranted for one year, the same as when you buy an attachment later.

    Now for the tricky part. The warranty warrants the tractor for 2 years. The FLB/FILB are "the tractor" because it is all OEM. This is an OEM tractor that includes the FEL and BH therefore in JD's book, the entire FLB/FILB is "the tractor".

    When I bought my 1025R in 2013, this was a specific topic with my dealer and JD. Actually, my dealer brought it up since I was thinking of adding a BH later after the intial purchase. Now, I know all dealers are not created equal. My dealer is good, so when they told me the TLB, as a unit, was warrantied two years, I said show me. JD said then, the TLB has a two year warranty. The 1025R TLB is a model, so when a dealer issues a purchase order for a new 1025R, if they issue it for a 1025R TLB, it is one unit and is designated that way in JD's book.

    Maybe JD has changed this definition of the TLB since 2013, don't know. Anyone buying a 1025R or 1025 R TLB needs to check this and get it in writing.

    If they have changed it, they didn't change the wording on their warranty policy. It comes down to how the machine was built OEM, not dealer installed attachments.
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