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    1025R Hydraulic filter Blew, I think. HELP

    Guys n Gals,
    Has anyone had a hydraulic filter seal blow and loose all hydraulic fluid? I am not sure yet, but it seems that my seal blew on the hydraulic filter. At first I thought I blew a steering hose. But looking at the hoses today, and where the oil made the muddy underside wet, I really believe the filter blew. Had oil seeping out between the plastic under the seat and around the 3 point hitch drop adjuster. I lost it all from the time I backed up and dumped a load out of the FEL. I am unsure if it damaged the pump or tranny. Any ideas, help or suggestions would be helpful. I know the first thing is to pull the filter, check the seal. But the pump was making really strange noises. Only ran 5 seconds after I realized what happened. Everything happened in 30 to 45 seconds.
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    A family friend had a hard line fail right near the oil filter (1025R - not many hours). It appeared to be the filter at first. The dealer replaced the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbfrancis3 View Post
    A family friend had a hard line fail right near the oil filter (1025R - not many hours). It appeared to be the filter at first. The dealer replaced the line.
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    I am nearing 400 hours, it is a 2013 and out of warranty by 2 months. If I pull the filter and all is OK will call dealer for help. That is something that should not happen regardless of the hours years, unless rusted.
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    or it could have been a rub point failure. Good luck.
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    I haven't had the hydraulic filter blow and don't know why it would unless it was coming loose, which this could happen. The filter is actually the charge pressure filter for the tractor propel (forward/reverse) pump and motor, so it is a high pressure filter so it must be installed pretty snugly. This filter filters the oil prior to it entering the piston propel pump/motor.

    When the seal blew in the filter, the propel pump/motor system would have lost most or all of the system charge pressure which will starve the propel pump/motor for oil. If you shut it down right away, it should be OK. Do not start the tractor until you get the filter replaced and the sump filled with fresh oil. Even though you are not driving the tractor, the propel pump is still turning and needs to have charge oil to keep things lubricated.

    The propel pump/motor is all internal in the differential. It is a piston pump and motor that hates dirty oil. These types of systems are also supplied with oil by another pump. In the 1025R, this other pump is the attachment pump. A percentage of flow from the attachment pump is used for charge oil for the propel system.

    The propel system is actually a closed loop between the piston pump and the piston motor so it does not take allot of replacement oil. That said, there is engineered leakage built into the pump/motor system. The leakage oil is used for cooling and allows for recycling of oil. The charge system is what supplies the make up oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray_PA View Post
    I haven't had the hydraulic filter blow and don't know why it would unless it was coming loose, which this could happen. The filter is actually the charge pressure filter for the tractor propel (forward/reverse) pump and motor, so it is a high pressure filter so it must be installed pretty snugly. This filter filters the oil prior to it entering the piston propel pump/motor.

    When the seal blew in the filter, the propel pump/motor system would have lost most or all of the system charge pressure which will starve the propel pump/motor for oil. If you shut it down right away, it should be OK. Do not start the tractor until you get the filter replaced and the sump filled with fresh oil. Even though you are not driving the tractor, the propel pump is still turning and needs to have charge oil to keep things lubricated.

    The propel pump/motor is all internal in the differential. It is a piston pump and motor that hates dirty oil. These types of systems are also supplied with oil by another pump. In the 1025R, this other pump is the attachment pump. A percentage of flow from the attachment pump is used for charge oil for the propel system.

    The propel system is actually a closed loop between the piston pump and the piston motor so it does not take allot of replacement oil. That said, there is engineered leakage built into the pump/motor system. The leakage oil is used for cooling and allows for recycling of oil. The charge system is what supplies the make up oil.
    Ray, what I am hearing is that the filter, if pressure is lost would almost immediately cause the loss of drive. Especially pouring a couple gallons per minute. Will call the dealer tomorrow AM. They put in the hydraulic lift, and may very well have created the rub point. I never had it apart for anything, so.....

    Filter was changed almost a year ago, and I make sure things are tight. Did not seem to be loose, as I tried that. Could not get a great grip b/c of oil.
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    Homemade 10 Kw PTO Driven Generator (Timing Belt Driven 2000RPM input, from front PTO)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Deere 1025R TLB View Post
    Ray, what I am hearing is that the filter, if pressure is lost would almost immediately cause the loss of drive. Especially pouring a couple gallons per minute. Will call the dealer tomorrow AM. They put in the hydraulic lift, and may very well have created the rub point. I never had it apart for anything, so.....

    Filter was changed almost a year ago, and I make sure things are tight. Did not seem to be loose, as I tried that. Could not get a great grip b/c of oil.
    If the filter blew and you lost all charge pressure, which would most likely happen if the filter blew, your propel system would lose charge pressure which would cause the propel pump/motor to starve for oil and would stop propelling. This may not happen immediately although, it would happen with in a short amount of time.
    As you obviously know now, when and if this charge pressure filter blows, you will loose a lot of oil pretty quickly.

    These tractors are not very large and do not have allot of space to cram all the things in them that JD does.

    Good luck!!
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    If the filter just worked loose, it might leak without a complete loss of everything. If you haven't already removed it, try and tighten it so you can see if it loosened up before taking it off. Check your fluid level, the strange noise you heard may be cavitation because it has leaked out enough oil that the pump is picking up air. If that's the only problem, serious damage is unlikely if you caught it quickly and stopped using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56FordGuy View Post
    If the filter just worked loose, it might leak without a complete loss of everything. If you haven't already removed it, try and tighten it so you can see if it loosened up before taking it off. Check your fluid level, the strange noise you heard may be cavitation because it has leaked out enough oil that the pump is picking up air. If that's the only problem, serious damage is unlikely if you caught it quickly and stopped using it.
    Well was in the middle of replacing my drainage pipe in front of the house, 165 feet worth. Doing a start up of a new plant, so today is my first unwind day. The filter was not loose. But the hydraulic filter o ring pushed out off the sealing surface. Dumped all fluid. But traveled prolly a total of 100 feet, and dumped a bucket load half way between. So it did not loose charge until pump stopped pump ing from the sump. Changed filter and refilled. No issues, but JD was notified in case of future failure. Won't pay it off early, as I have the insurance.

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    647 Tiller
    54D QT mowing deck W/ independent lift
    120H FEL W/ 49 in bucket
    260 BH W/ 12" bucket
    Homemade 10 Kw PTO Driven Generator (Timing Belt Driven 2000RPM input, from front PTO)
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    Stihl FS90 String Trimmer
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    You should be fine, hydraulic systems will generally survive a loss of fluid without damage, they'll just start sucking air.

    You caught it quick, I would not worry about it failing.
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