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    1023e newbie ?

    with a 70lbs quick hitch and 200 pound 5 ft scrape blade be efficient enough rear wieght to do light duty work with FEL for counter weight?

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    You can try it you will know right away. Try it on level ground if you rear wheels come off the ground then its not heavy enough. I use a ballast box the by itself weights 150lbs then i use cement bricks in 3/4 the way full then chain on top. Good luck and carry your loads low to ground
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    moweec, I have a 1025, which I assume has similar weight characteristics as your 1023. I moved 10 ton of gravel (not in one trim I might add ) with ZERO ballast. I filled the bucket as full as I could, traveled with it LOW and SLOW, and had no issues whatsoever! I will add, these are the few times I put up the ROPS! Also, avoid ANY side slop. Oh, and P.S. - my ROPS STILL won't fit in the shed in the up position, no matter how hard I try
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    The Approved Tires and Ballast for 1023E, 1025R, and 1026R Tractors is listed below:

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    John Deere wants to see 601 pounds on the rear hitch AND fluid filled tires for front end loader work. For light duty work you can probably get by with less, but keep in mind that your loader can pick up enough weight to lift the rear tires if there isn't enough ballast. Even if it seems ok, a front load can lift the rear wheels if you hit a dip (or travel too fast) with the load too high. The other issue with not having enough ballast is you can overload the front axle.

    You should never be doing front end loader work without rear ballast. In your case, the rear blade will stick further back than the ballast box, so the 200 lb blade will have a greater impact as ballast than 200 lbs right at the rear hitch. That being said, you will want to keep your bucket loads light.

    The really bad thing about the rear tires lifting off the ground is the front axle is NOT rigid and fixed in place; it is on a pivot. If the rear tires lift, the tractor can pivot on the front axle pivot point and tip over without warning.

    A few simple rules listed in your loader manual (LINK):

    1. Always use rear ballast when doing front end loader work.
    2. Keep the load low and the speed slow when the bucket is loaded.
    3. ROPS up, seat belt ON (or if the ROPS is down, seat belt OFF)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdy1318 View Post
    Oh, and P.S. - my ROPS STILL won't fit in the shed in the up position, no matter how hard I try
    Your just not going fast enough to make room for it. Don't give up yet.

    Just kidding

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    Quote Originally Posted by moweec View Post
    with a 70lbs quick hitch and 200 pound 5 ft scrape blade be efficient enough rear wieght to do light duty work with FEL for counter weight?
    You may get away with it many times. It will be the one time you was not watching properly, turned too sharp on a small grade with the bucket raised or just plain not on game that day that you will regret, if your lucky enough, the fact that you didn't have the proper ballast. With the ROPS folded, because it is inconvenient to get off the tractor, let's hope your not on too much of a slope and it only lay's on it's side and does not roll, Roll Over Protection (ROP). But this would be your choice. Most folks on here that have been around tractors will tell you to get the proper ballast. So let the flames begin
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdy1318 View Post
    Oh, and P.S. - my ROPS STILL won't fit in the shed in the up position, no matter how hard I try
    Quote Originally Posted by Termite View Post
    Your just not going fast enough to make room for it. Don't give up yet.

    Just kidding
    I swear, I've spent hours trying to design (in my head) some kind of warning system capable of notifying an idiot it just ain't gonna fit!! Some thoughts are: A reverse backup sensor mounted to the ROPS, an idiot light on the dash - either triggered by a switch on the ROPS, or manually turned on when ROPS is up. Just seems when I'm doing FEL work that I feel requires the ROPS, I'm busy planning my routes, evaluating each move to make sure I'm not doing something I shouldn't, etc., there just isn't enough brain cells left at the end of the day to remember to lower the darn thing before heading to the garage. Keep in mind 90% of what I do is mowing (too many trees to us the ROPS), so it just doesn't become habit. Guess I'll just keep straightening the rollup door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moweec View Post
    with a 70lbs quick hitch and 200 pound 5 ft scrape blade be efficient enough rear wieght to do light duty work with FEL for counter weight?
    Depends what you call light duty work. I've done it with no more then a box blade on the back. Like was said, you'll know as soon as you go to pick up the FEL. I've done some heavy work with the FEL with the box blade and 6 suit case weights on the back and it's worked. You have to watch where you drive and what you're driving over. With a FEL load of gravel, box blade and 6 suit case weights is how I did this:
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    From the bottom of the pic I'd drive up the hill and then back down it to get where I wanted to go. As you can see I had everything low. Doing it this way I could lower the box blade should it not have worked out to stop me. Kept my driving sideways to a minimum. You will have to stay on your toes and don't drive very fast. Always keep your hand on the controls in case you have to drop the BB or the FEL. This was in the FEL:
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    This was heavy. Can it be done, yes. Safely? If you're very careful. I did 3 pick up loads of this stuff. Many trips and always the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdy1318 View Post
    I swear, I've spent hours trying to design (in my head) some kind of warning system capable of notifying an idiot it just ain't gonna fit!! Some thoughts are: A reverse backup sensor mounted to the ROPS, an idiot light on the dash - either triggered by a switch on the ROPS, or manually turned on when ROPS is up. Just seems when I'm doing FEL work that I feel requires the ROPS, I'm busy planning my routes, evaluating each move to make sure I'm not doing something I shouldn't, etc., there just isn't enough brain cells left at the end of the day to remember to lower the darn thing before heading to the garage. Keep in mind 90% of what I do is mowing (too many trees to us the ROPS), so it just doesn't become habit. Guess I'll just keep straightening the rollup door.
    Strap something that will pop along the top of the ROPS...Balloons maybe? Plus if a party breaks out you'll be ready!

    Seriously tho...anything that will crunch loudly and not hurt anything like a big chunk of styrofoam maybe tape a thick piece on and it will crunch and spill foam pieces on your head. Or something like this...Maybe you'll find something laying around...

    I don't know if you can point these sensors or if you would get too many false positives...
    https://www.amazon.com/Hopkins-60100.../dp/B002XUXUTS

    Or could you get a long enough foam tube(The kind used to wrap pipes) and mount it so it sticks straight forward over your head and when you see it bend or hit the door it would remind you...Or mount a stick with an orange end like for curb marking.

    Or hang a curtain down about head level on the garage or shed door and when it hits your face , you'll wonder whats going on and reminds you to stop.
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