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    All the talk about gelling diesel, kerosene, and cold weather got me thinking. I starting asking questions of a couple local fuel suppliers yesterday and today.
    I went to a bulk fuel supplier (BP) in Rochester that has a bunch of pumps lined up for the general public to use. Iím not kidding when I say that they have about every fuel that you would need...1 pump of each.
    Their winter diesel blend is 20% #1. I bought 6 gallons of straight #1 there.

    Today I went to the local BP station in the small town near where I live, and bought 12 gallons of their winter blend. I went inside, and asked them some questions. The woman at the counter had a sheet with all the info that I was asking about. They had just reworked their blend to 50% number 1. She said the cold filter plugging temp would be -30 deg F
    Their #2 with cold flow additive had a cold filter plug temp of -5 deg

    Both places (both of them are BP affiliates) confirmed that kerosene and #1 were identical base stocks.

    Anyway, I thought it was interesting that the 2 places (both BP) had very different winter blends, and that they are both fiddling with the ratio to meet expected local temperatures. So buying diesel from a place that sells allot is definitely important.
    The blend can vary widely.
    I stopped by the JD dealer and bought some extra fuel filters too. I think Iím ready for the brutal cold next week (-32 degF) weds morning...I will need to feed the cows
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    Thatís interesting Arlen, nice to be able to buy the fuel you need when you need it and not trying to make your fuel what you ďmightĒ need.


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    Just a general reminder, your tractor/diesel powered equipment may not tolerate the drier fuel blends. Most OEMs will tell you Kerosene is not an approved fuel. A lubrication additive may be all you need. Some will be perfectly fine running dry fuels. Most equipment nowadays wonít tolerate too much of it without some degradation or wear of the expensive fuel injection system.

    Read your manual and find out what you can and canít use. When in doubt, an additive may save your engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselshadow View Post
    Just a general reminder, your tractor/diesel powered equipment may not tolerate the drier fuel blends. Most OEMs will tell you Kerosene is not an approved fuel. A lubrication additive may be all you need. Some will be perfectly fine running dry fuels. Most equipment nowadays wonít tolerate too much of it without some degradation or wear of the expensive fuel injection system.

    Read your manual and find out what you can and canít use. When in doubt, an additive may save your engine.
    What I have been saying right along DS. Who is going to be out in an open station at -35 anyway. Truck maybe, but they are just as susceptible to dry fuel, unless it is an old mechanical injection IDI. And even then not much more accepting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Deere 1025R TLB View Post
    What I have been saying right along DS. Who is going to be out in an open station at -35 anyway. Truck maybe, but they are just as susceptible to dry fuel, unless it is an old mechanical injection IDI. And even then not much more accepting.

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    John Deere says to blend kerosene for winter use, but they say to use their fuel treatment for lubricity.
    Not much else you can do...#2 treated with cold flow additive can only go down to -5 or -10.
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    My fuel supplier tells me that the common winter fuel is 30% #1 and 70% #2. That is what I bought before winter before last. This winter, I am not planning on using my tractor very much, so am trying to get buy on one tank of fuel with JD winter fuel treatment plus the OptiLube I already put in the big tank. Although it rarely gets below zero here, it did this past week. I am down to about 3/8 of a tank now, so will have to make a decision soon as to what my fuel future is for the rest of the winter. I am thinking about going ahead and ordering regular #2 for delivery soon as I am getting by with the #2 left over from last summer. The problem I had with that 30% #1 was that it took me all the following summer to use it all up and I did not want to get into that again. This past summer I used all the summer fuel. I just never know how much fuel I am going to need, so figured to try to make it through the winter with what I had, rather than get stuck with so much #1 mix again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddinham View Post
    My fuel supplier tells me that the common winter fuel is 30% #1 and 70% #2. That is what I bought before winter before last. This winter, I am not planning on using my tractor very much, so am trying to get buy on one tank of fuel with JD winter fuel treatment plus the OptiLube I already put in the big tank. Although it rarely gets below zero here, it did this past week. I am down to about 3/8 of a tank now, so will have to make a decision soon as to what my fuel future is for the rest of the winter. I am thinking about going ahead and ordering regular #2 for delivery soon as I am getting by with the #2 left over from last summer. The problem I had with that 30% #1 was that it took me all the following summer to use it all up and I did not want to get into that again. This past summer I used all the summer fuel. I just never know how much fuel I am going to need, so figured to try to make it through the winter with what I had, rather than get stuck with so much #1 mix again.

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    I would order #2 also if I were in your situation. You could probably get by with treated #2 for 90% of the time.
    I like to keep #2 in my barrel, but it wonít come out for about 2 months in the winter
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    Right now I only have #2 Fuel with Double Howes treatment in it. If we have a super cold weird day I won't start the tractor unless I have to. Never had a problem last year or with my water tender it was always put away for the winter with summer fuel and treated by me. I did start it a couple times during the winter just because I could and let it come up to operating temps.

    FAQ about it;
    Which Howes additive should I use in the winter?
    Howes Diesel Treat. It’s a diesel conditioner with anti-gel and contains a cold flow improver designed to prevent gelling in winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arlen View Post
    John Deere says to blend kerosene for winter use, but they say to use their fuel treatment for lubricity.
    Not much else you can do...#2 treated with cold flow additive can only go down to -5 or -10.
    I used +15 #2 in Alaska year-round in a 500 gallon above ground tank for all of my diesels with only 50 gallon shot of #1 in December and Stanadyne (year round). I was only bit once. It was -55F. I drove my Cummins powered Ram to Delta Junction 100 miles away from home. It started bucking and losing power about 20 miles from home. It was parked in a warm garage at home. I realized I wasnít making power and I was losing heat in the cab about 50 miles from home. I was screwed either way. Luckily it didnít get any worse the rest of the trip. It didnít like it and I was cold, but I made it to Delta Junction just fine. That was the only time I was burned AFTER I learned my expensive lesson about dry fuels and what they can do your diesel injection system.

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    What’s +15 #2?
    Are you saying a #1 blend is still bad even if treated for lubricity?
    It seems you are trying to say something without actually saying it.
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