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    Everything look ok?

    Hi all,

    Just hoping to get some experienced perspective on my towing situation before I hit the road for the first time.

    I'm planning on towing my 4310 with a 420 loader and a 48 backhoe attachment. I figure the total cargo weight is around 6k and my trailer is 14ft with a 7k capacity. I used two ratchet straps that have a WLL of 1,660 lb each and are hooked to the front end of the frame, and I put chains in the rear attached to the backhoe with a WLL of 3,400 lb. I'll be tugging with my Ford F-350

    Am I ok to go? Thoughts?

    Happy to hear any feedback and advice, thanks!
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    If it was me, I'd also strap the bucket down for good measure.
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    Not sure where you'll be traveling but in some States the police will ticket you for hanging beyond the bed (in your case, on both ends) of the trailer.

    I figure the total cargo weight is around 6k and my trailer is 14ft with a 7k capacity.
    If that's true you're over-weight. That trailer itself weighs more than 1K lbs.

    Not trying to bust your chops here but if they stop you for hanging over the bed of the trailer, you can bet they are going to start looking at weights while they have you stopped. Be ready with answers.
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    I don’t mean to be the trailer safety police but used to do this for a living....

    Your front tie down is actually on the loader frame - not the machine frame.

    Your rear tie down is on the backhoe frame - not the machine frame. The backhoe needs its own tiedown besides a tie down on the rear frame of the tractor itself.

    The backhoe bucket should be flat on the bed - you are depending on the pins to hold the backhoe up in the air.

    The front bucket should also be flat on the bed with its own tie down.

    So there you have it from a DOT perspective. Will you be OK? Likely yes. I am citing what a DOT officer would say if you were inspected in a commercial environment.
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    That single front strap is not sufficient, you said you had two on them but I only see one? Even with two they are undersized. You'll need two, 2" 10k rated ones to be safe IMHO.

    What chain are you using with a WLL of only 3,400lbs?
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    Above advice is good info. If you're truly at 6,000# weight of the tractor then that's technically over the capacity of the trailer because the trailer probably weighs about 2,000#. Will it work anyway? Probably, but if the trailer isn't in perfect condition or if the roads aren't the greatest you are at risk. However, looking at specs for the 4310 on tractordata.com it shows the tractor itself at 2,900#. I don't know how much the backhoe adds but I'd find it hard to believe that the loader, backhoe, ballast and liquids in the tractor add another 3,000#. So you're actually probably not over the trailer capacity.

    The other things mentioned about tying down are valid. Best practice is to have separate strapping for the loader and the backhoe too. I'd use axle straps for the front, myself, but as long as you have it hooked to something frame-related its fine. The last point is that as far forward as you have the tractor on the trailer it may have more than the recommended 10-15% tongue weight. More is better than less but just FYI.

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    JimR - When we brought my 4720/FEL to our farm four years ago, an experienced JD hauler loaded it onto the trailer that we used, which had ample capacity and length. He backed the machine onto the trailer; apparently in Ohio it is illegal to haul farm machinery forward with the slow moving farm triangle facing rearward. I've not confirmed this, but I believed the guy. As I recall, we chain/boomed the loader arms and the 3 pt draft arms to secure the machine. My BIL white knuckled the 100 mile drive to the tractor's new home.

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    Not sure where you'll be traveling but in some States the police will ticket you for hanging beyond the bed (in your case, on both ends) of the trailer.



    If that's true you're over-weight. That trailer itself weighs more than 1K lbs.

    Not trying to bust your chops here but if they stop you for hanging over the bed of the trailer, you can bet they are going to start looking at weights while they have you stopped. Be ready with answers.
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    As others have said and also do not turn to sharp or you will be running the corner of your bucket into the back of your truck.
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    At that weight, here you would be required by law to use chains at the 4 corners and not straps. Overloading your trailer will be hard on your axle. It tends to make the wheels TOW in.

    If you get stopped you'll need your big wallet as safety and weight violations are expensive because they are more designed for the commercial industry. And remember to tell the nice officer that you never tow for anyone else, just the stuff you own. Otherwise they will say it's commercial and ding you for not having a DOT # even though your rig is less than 26,001 pounds.
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    Thanks all! I've never done this before so I was just starting to test how and where to tie it down.

    I think the bottom line is my trailer is just too small. When I tried tying down the front axels it was impossible to get them out wide enough to make the X pattern you want without hitting the tires, and the rear axels are totally inaccessible due to the backhoe being attached. Not sure if there are other decent frame parts to attach to but the whole back end of the tractor is dominated by the backhoe, I wouldn't be able to get anything from the Axel or rear frame out backwards past the backhoe in a straight line.

    As far as the tractor weight goes, 6k lbs, is the high end of my estimation. Tractor weighs 2,900 lbs, backhoe is 1,560 or something lbs, and I couldn't find the weight for the loader. I'm not very good at guesstimating so I figured it's better to round way up and expect the worse, I believe I'm right at or a little under/over the 7k lbs limit on the trailer (is there a clever way to check this with out driving to a scale?)

    Quote Originally Posted by coaltrain View Post
    I don’t mean to be the trailer safety police but used to do this for a living....

    Your front tie down is actually on the loader frame - not the machine frame.

    Your rear tie down is on the backhoe frame - not the machine frame. The backhoe needs its own tiedown besides a tie down on the rear frame of the tractor itself.

    The backhoe bucket should be flat on the bed - you are depending on the pins to hold the backhoe up in the air.

    The front bucket should also be flat on the bed with its own tie down.

    So there you have it from a DOT perspective. Will you be OK? Likely yes. I am citing what a DOT officer would say if you were inspected in a commercial environment.
    I want to make sure I'm doing it right so the trailer safety police is what I came for. I really appreciate the advice . I thought the purpose for the pins were for transporting or is that just to support the backhoe while I'm driving the tractor around?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kennyd View Post
    That single front strap is not sufficient, you said you had two on them but I only see one? Even with two they are undersized. You'll need two, 2" 10k rated ones to be safe IMHO.

    What chain are you using with a WLL of only 3,400lbs?
    I actually had two straps but was in the process of dismantling when I thought to take pictures. I miss spoke on the chain, I've got 5/16 grade 43 so the WLL is actually 3,900 lbs I believe. Is 10k straps not excessive, I talked to a commercial CHP (California Highway Patrol) officer who said the combined WLL of all tie downs should be equal to the weight of the cargo. I went a over to be safe but should I go further over?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlue View Post
    Above advice is good info. If you're truly at 6,000# weight of the tractor then that's technically over the capacity of the trailer because the trailer probably weighs about 2,000#. Will it work anyway? Probably, but if the trailer isn't in perfect condition or if the roads aren't the greatest you are at risk. However, looking at specs for the 4310 on tractordata.com it shows the tractor itself at 2,900#. I don't know how much the backhoe adds but I'd find it hard to believe that the loader, backhoe, ballast and liquids in the tractor add another 3,000#. So you're actually probably not over the trailer capacity.

    The other things mentioned about tying down are valid. Best practice is to have separate strapping for the loader and the backhoe too. I'd use axle straps for the front, myself, but as long as you have it hooked to something frame-related its fine. The last point is that as far forward as you have the tractor on the trailer it may have more than the recommended 10-15% tongue weight. More is better than less but just FYI.

    Rob
    It felt a little too far forward but I was thinking with the weight of the backhoe in the back I was ok, the trailer looked pretty even to me. Is there a clever way to test the tongue weight? Here is a picture of my suspension unladen, with all the tongue weight I had that little back up leaf spring was just almost touching the pad (excuse the lack of correct terminology.) Could that be a way of telling if I have to much or too little?


    Thanks again all! going to start checking Craigslist for a bigger trailer... till then maybe I'll leave the backhoe at home and just take the tiller
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