Are you changing position with an attachment on back or empty? the arms don't always go all the way down. They lower by gravity and have no hydraulic down force.
1025r 3pt lever engages only half through range
Having my 1025r for only a few months I hadn’t had any project work with 3pt attachments yet. Picked up a BB5060L last week so over the weekend I was starting some trail work and questioned the 3pt functionality. When I have the lever pushed all the way forward and pull back through the full range, I noticed it only starts to engage and lift once the lever is about half way through the range. I’m not too experienced with tractors, this is my first, but mechanically this doesn’t seem right. Is there anything to check out or adjustments that can be made? Thanks
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With an iMatch and the BB5060L attached.Are you changing position with an attachment on back or empty? the arms don't always go all the way down. They lower by gravity and have no hydraulic down force.
They probably just don't go all the way down because of bottoming out on the box blade. Mine does that too.
I appreciate your replies but it isn’t the arms going down I’m concerned about. It is when I pull the lever to raise the arms, I notice it only engages when the lever is about half way through the range from lowest setting to highest.They probably just don't go all the way down because of bottoming out on the box blade. Mine does that too.
The position of the arms is related to the position of the lever. If the arms are already half way up they won’t start raising higher until the lever is half way through the range. Try it with the the box blade off and the hitch all the way down. It should work as you expect then.
I appreciate your replies but it isn’t the arms going down I’m concerned about. It is when I pull the lever to raise the arms, I notice it only engages when the lever is about half way through the range from lowest setting to highest.
Yup. If the implement is bottomed out then your 3pt arms are effectively hanging in the air unsupported. You've got to operate the lever to come up under them until you make contact. Image sliding a floor jack under a vehicle. Those first few pumps don't really do anything, do they? But once the jack makes contact with the vehicle it starts lifting as you continue to pump.
Take all implements off the 3pt and have someone stand on it as you operate the control and have them yell out as soon as they can feel it moving.
Not saying there isn't a problem but I believe there is an adjustment on the lever linkage that you can toy with if need be.
Ok, this explanation I understand. ThanksThe position of the arms is related to the position of the lever. If the arms are already half way up they won’t start raising higher until the lever is half way through the range. Try it with the the box blade off and the hitch all the way down. It should work as you expect then.
Perfectly normal, if you had a Post Hole Digger, Plow Blade or any other attachment that wanted to dig in, the arms would go all the way down. If you remove the BB5060L and then lowered the iMatch, it will go all the way down and you will see it lift as soon as you start moving the three point lever back.
Yeah, it’s like that “ah ha” moment went off after @TyBoo replied. A simple thing to over look. Good to remember so that in the case of using the box blade you only want the lever to go far enough to get the blade to drop so that when you are bringing it back up to release material you aren’t staying in the first range where no engagement is happening.
That's why Deere provided the numeric markings and even an adjustable stop on the 3ph lever..... in the case of using the box blade you only want the lever to go far enough to get the blade to drop
Really, anytime you have anything on the 3PH, the moment the implement is sitting on the ground, the arms stop dropping. When you push the 3ph lever all the way forward when the implement is already on the ground, "nothing seems to happen". Same thing when you then raise the 3ph lever, half way up and the hitch doesn't move and then suddenly, the implement starts raising. For those who run the same implement on the 3ph, you will find the moment the implement is grounded the further movement of the lever forward doesn't change the 3ph arms, just as raising the 3ph lever won't raise the arms until the implement starts to move.
I run a rear 3ph carry all on my tractor 95% of the time, as a result, my 3ph arms never drop below about 3 o'clock, or straight out the rear of the tractor. But when I drop the rear carry all, the 3ph arms will drop down to about 5 o'clock when the lever is fully lowered. Since the 3ph has no down pressure, its purely gravity which lowers the arms until they meet resistance, which is the attached implement sitting on the ground. Pushing the 3ph lever forward after the implement has been set on the ground doesn't change the arms position.
If you are using the IMatch and lift the locking handles when you have an implement on the 3ph, as long as the center hook on the I match isn't bound based upon the top links position, when you lower the 3ph lever, the implement will sit on the ground and the arms will continue to lower. If you find when you have the 3ph attached to an implement and unlock the Imatch levers and the I Match won't disconnect from the implement, its usually because the top link is extended or contracted past the center position and the center hook is not vertically aligned on the implements top pin. Then, adjusting the top link will cause the IMatch to release from the implement and you can drive away.
Same thing when you back to pick up and implement with the I Match. Often, you can lift the implement and simply drive away. But other times, the position of the top link might make it so the two lower pins don't align with the I Match and the top link must be adjusted to pick up the implement. Always make sure the lower pins and the center hook are full seated before using the implement as some times the implement will not seat fully in the center hook, even while seated in the lower pins. Usually, the locking levers of the IMatch won't snap into place because they lower pins aren't fully seated and either lifting the implement so it seats on the center hook or adjusting the top link, sets the implement correctly into the Imatch and you can lock the levers and away you go...............
I run a rear 3ph carry all on my tractor 95% of the time, as a result, my 3ph arms never drop below about 3 o'clock, or straight out the rear of the tractor. But when I drop the rear carry all, the 3ph arms will drop down to about 5 o'clock when the lever is fully lowered. Since the 3ph has no down pressure, its purely gravity which lowers the arms until they meet resistance, which is the attached implement sitting on the ground. Pushing the 3ph lever forward after the implement has been set on the ground doesn't change the arms position.
If you are using the IMatch and lift the locking handles when you have an implement on the 3ph, as long as the center hook on the I match isn't bound based upon the top links position, when you lower the 3ph lever, the implement will sit on the ground and the arms will continue to lower. If you find when you have the 3ph attached to an implement and unlock the Imatch levers and the I Match won't disconnect from the implement, its usually because the top link is extended or contracted past the center position and the center hook is not vertically aligned on the implements top pin. Then, adjusting the top link will cause the IMatch to release from the implement and you can drive away.
Same thing when you back to pick up and implement with the I Match. Often, you can lift the implement and simply drive away. But other times, the position of the top link might make it so the two lower pins don't align with the I Match and the top link must be adjusted to pick up the implement. Always make sure the lower pins and the center hook are full seated before using the implement as some times the implement will not seat fully in the center hook, even while seated in the lower pins. Usually, the locking levers of the IMatch won't snap into place because they lower pins aren't fully seated and either lifting the implement so it seats on the center hook or adjusting the top link, sets the implement correctly into the Imatch and you can lock the levers and away you go...............
Thanks for this thorough explanation! It all makes sense now. I’ll have to start using the position stop for the lever so I’m not pushing it forward more than it needs to be when doing blade work.Really, anytime you have anything on the 3PH, the moment the implement is sitting on the ground, the arms stop dropping. When you push the 3ph lever all the way forward when the implement is already on the ground, "nothing seems to happen". Same thing when you then raise the 3ph lever, half way up and the hitch doesn't move and then suddenly, the implement starts raising. For those who run the same implement on the 3ph, you will find the moment the implement is grounded the further movement of the lever forward doesn't change the 3ph arms, just as raising the 3ph lever won't raise the arms until the implement starts to move.
I run a rear 3ph carry all on my tractor 95% of the time, as a result, my 3ph arms never drop below about 3 o'clock, or straight out the rear of the tractor. But when I drop the rear carry all, the 3ph arms will drop down to about 5 o'clock when the lever is fully lowered. Since the 3ph has no down pressure, its purely gravity which lowers the arms until they meet resistance, which is the attached implement sitting on the ground. Pushing the 3ph lever forward after the implement has been set on the ground doesn't change the arms position.
If you are using the IMatch and lift the locking handles when you have an implement on the 3ph, as long as the center hook on the I match isn't bound based upon the top links position, when you lower the 3ph lever, the implement will sit on the ground and the arms will continue to lower. If you find when you have the 3ph attached to an implement and unlock the Imatch levers and the I Match won't disconnect from the implement, its usually because the top link is extended or contracted past the center position and the center hook is not vertically aligned on the implements top pin. Then, adjusting the top link will cause the IMatch to release from the implement and you can drive away.
Same thing when you back to pick up and implement with the I Match. Often, you can lift the implement and simply drive away. But other times, the position of the top link might make it so the two lower pins don't align with the I Match and the top link must be adjusted to pick up the implement. Always make sure the lower pins and the center hook are full seated before using the implement as some times the implement will not seat fully in the center hook, even while seated in the lower pins. Usually, the locking levers of the IMatch won't snap into place because they lower pins aren't fully seated and either lifting the implement so it seats on the center hook or adjusting the top link, sets the implement correctly into the Imatch and you can lock the levers and away you go...............
I appreciate everyone providing knowledge, thank you.
I'll be darned. Six years with the tractor and I never noticed the ruler before. It's well hidden next to the seat. Do the numbers actually relate to 3 point height, or just to the distance the lever moves? BTW, I lost the lid to the power plug and am using a rubber stopper from Lowes.That's why Deere provided the numeric markings and even an adjustable stop on the 3ph lever.
It's an approximation at best. I believe the markings are close to an inch of movement but the start and stop points really vary depending on the implement.Do the numbers actually relate to 3 point height, or just to the distance the lever moves?
I thought I heard one time that the slot was just divided into a number of segments and then a number assigned accordingly, and that there's no true coordination.
Above grade engagement, and below grade engagement.
If your arms engaged at the lowest lever position while at, or above grade, your implement would never go below grade.
If your arms engaged at the lowest lever position while at, or above grade, your implement would never go below grade.
Good question! I never thought to check and don't recall reading anything in the manual about what the numbers correspond to either. Nothing on my 3 point at the moment except the quick hitch, if I remember to then next time I use my tractor I'll measure lever vs 3ph movement.Do the numbers actually relate to 3 point height, or just to the distance the lever moves?
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