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Well I stopped by my dealer today to discuss 2 different issues with the service manager. The first issue is the white smoke and very rough running at startup just like a couple recent threads on this site. My dealer said that it is not normal at all and it should be looked at. They feel without looking at it that it's probably a glow plug issue. The second problem is that my 3ph seems to be leaking pressure. When running it seeps down and then jerks up every 15 seconds or so. It was very noticeable this past weekend when I had the tiller attached. It is not as noticable with just the MMM on but it does drop the mower down rather quickly (within 5 minutes) with the engine off. The tractor has 52 hrs on it. This problem seems to have started after my 1st oil change I did last week at 47.5hrs. The dealer was opening a ticket with deere and said they would give me a call later this week to let me know what they find out and schedule a time for me to bring it in. I can't see how the oil change and this could be related unless a piece of metal somehow got stirred up and is where it shouldnt be? I did read a couple older threads on this site with guys that had a similar problem. Any advice would be appreciated. I will follow up after dealing with the dealer. So far they have been great to work with hopefully it stays that way. :unknown:

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Sorry you are having issues. I started mine yesterday after sitting since Friday. It has been much colder at night here the last few days, low 40s to high 30s, I honestly felt sorry for my 1026R, it coughed and smoked so much. Mine is going to the dealer too. Keep us posted!


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My new one gave a about 20 seconds of grey/white smoke and sputtered last night when I started it. I thought of you guys here who have posted this issue, and thought I might have to keep a close eye on this.

Dang it, only 3.5 hours on the rig and I already found the broken seat thingamajig, now this? :banghead:
 

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My new one gave a about 20 seconds of grey/white smoke and sputtered last night when I started it. I thought of you guys here who have posted this issue, and thought I might have to keep a close eye on this.

Dang it, only 3.5 hours on the rig and I already found the broken seat thingamajig, now this? :banghead:
It's frustrating for sure. Honestly if the tractor wasn't such a pleasure to run and work so well I would be a lot more frustrated. All equipment can have things go wrong it's the nature of the beast. We paid a premium price for premium equipment it's my hope that the dealer will now back that up and make everything right. Good luck with yours I'll keep you posted with what I find out.
 

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My 3 point did the same thing when it had gotten a score in the 3 point cylinder. They had to replace it. Luckily it was under warranty. When you pick it up pull the 3 point lever all the way back and make sure it doesn't go into by pass. Mine sounds like you are dead heading the hydraulics when the lever is all the way back. If I push it forward to the stop it's normal. I need to take it in and have it adjusted. Just haven't had a chance. No issues since then.

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My 3 point did the same thing when it had gotten a score in the 3 point cylinder. They had to replace it. Luckily it was under warranty. When you pick it up pull the 3 point lever all the way back and make sure it doesn't go into by pass. Mine sounds like you are dead heading the hydraulics when the lever is all the way back. If I push it forward to the stop it's normal. I need to take it in and have it adjusted. Just haven't had a chance. No issues since then.

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How involved of a process was that? How long did it take them to complete the repair. I am tempted to wait until I am done with grass and leaves for the year to take it in if use will not cause more damage. I have a couple customers I agreed to take on their leaves this fall and can't afford to be weeks without the tractor.
 

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The part was a 1/2 day swap originally. Mine was trouble because the new unit didn't have the proper "timing" marks and had to be replaced a second time. It was a day to take apart and a day to get original part. Should have been it. Had to wait another day for 2nd lift cylinder and then another day to replace the 2nd time. It ended up being a week instead of a couple days..

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Back in Business!

Just an updated to this thread. I dropped the tractor off at the dealer Monday afternoon. They gave me a call on Tuesday and said that the issue with smoke and rough startup is normal for that motor. He said they opened a dtac with Deere and they were told the symptoms were considered normal. They did test my glowplug operation and found them to be working properly. The service manager suggested it may be a bad batch of fuel and to keep an eye on it and let them know if it gets any worse. He suggested I try fuel from a different location or try an additive. Does anyone have a recommendation of which additive is the best to use?

I have been running low sulfer normal on road diesel as per my salesman when I purchased the machine. Does anyone use off road diesel?

On the hydraulic 3pt drooping issue the dealer ran their pressure tests and determined the rockshaft control valve was leaking internally and replaced the entire unit. They told me on Tuesday they would have it done before the weekend, but to my surprise they called this morning and told me it was ready for pick up. I did pick it up after work today and it works great. I ran it for a couple hours mulching and sweeping leaves.

Overall it was a positive experience again with my dealer. I hope I dont need them again anytime soon but its good to know they are very good to work with if a problem does arise. :good2:
 

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Great news, glad you're back in business and your dealer earned a few good points in your book.
 

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Just an updated to this thread. I dropped the tractor off at the dealer Monday afternoon. They gave me a call on Tuesday and said that the issue with smoke and rough startup is normal for that motor. He said they opened a dtac with Deere and they were told the symptoms were considered normal. They did test my glowplug operation and found them to be working properly. The service manager suggested it may be a bad batch of fuel and to keep an eye on it and let them know if it gets any worse. He suggested I try fuel from a different location or try an additive. Does anyone have a recommendation of which additive is the best to use?

I have been running low sulfer normal on road diesel as per my salesman when I purchased the machine. Does anyone use off road diesel?

On the hydraulic 3pt drooping issue the dealer ran their pressure tests and determined the rockshaft control valve was leaking internally and replaced the entire unit. They told me on Tuesday they would have it done before the weekend, but to my surprise they called this morning and told me it was ready for pick up. I did pick it up after work today and it works great. I ran it for a couple hours mulching and sweeping leaves.

Overall it was a positive experience again with my dealer. I hope I dont need them again anytime soon but its good to know they are very good to work with if a problem does arise. :good2:
The difference between "Road Diesel" Vs "Off Road Diesel" is the Red Die and the Taxs attached to it. There are a few good diesel fuel additives available..... I use Power Service. I had trouble with a brand new Cummins which smoked pretty bad..... Power Service in a few tanks of fuel finally cleared the smoke. I run it now every now and then to keep all my Diesels running smooth.
 

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Keep us posted on the smoke, mine is at the dealer now. I bought some Fuel Protect additive from the dealer to try. Having a good dealer is half the battle


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iave the same start up issues with the smoke etc. my dealer said it was normal as the injector pump is computer controlled and take a few seconds to calibrate for the temp when starting cold. i fixed my issue by cycling the glow plugs twice before trying to start and it worked for me .starts much smoother.
 

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Warbird, don't you have a 1 series tractor?

The one series fuel injection pumps are completely mechanical. No computer involved with the pump. The fuel shut off solenoid is controlled by the ICC (the instrument cluster.) But all it does is open or close to shut off the fuel.
 

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I have tried cycling the glow plugs twice on my 1025r. I can not notice any difference. I just can not buy it is a normal condition. I have a friend that also has a 1025r and his does not have the symptoms. When my tractor was new for the first 40 hours or so it started perfectly with no missing or smoke. I understand now with the cooler weathet a slightly rough start is perfectly normal but seeing my friends machine cold start instantly without smoking or missing this morning leaves me to believe something is going on.
 

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Warbird, don't you have a 1 series tractor?

The one series fuel injection pumps are completely mechanical. No computer involved with the pump. The fuel shut off solenoid is controlled by the ICC (the instrument cluster.) But all it does is open or close to shut off the fuel.
yes DS i do. it's a 1025R . i was told that by my dealer as i was asking about the start up issue. mine does start just a little rough ,but quickly cleans itself out . in like 3 seconds .i keep comparing the 1025 to my old 2305. the 2305 started very nice . i wonder what the issue is with the new ones. i almost wish i would have kept my 2305 sometimes.
 

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I have tried cycling the glow plugs twice on my 1025r. I can not notice any difference. I just can not buy it is a normal condition. I have a friend that also has a 1025r and his does not have the symptoms. When my tractor was new for the first 40 hours or so it started perfectly with no missing or smoke. I understand now with the cooler weathet a slightly rough start is perfectly normal but seeing my friends machine cold start instantly without smoking or missing this morning leaves me to believe something is going on.
yea , i'd be getting it looked at too. it must be a common thing cause JD wasn't surprised when i brought it up .
 

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My 1025r does the same thing.It didnt really start until it started getting colder. What additive does everyone recomend? I have 18 hours on mine. I read somewhere that certain diesel fuels can cause this in diesels. I never though anything about ituntil now.
 

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Had not started mine for a week , when I started it yesterday puffed out smoke, rough idle . Like Nebels Deere, I don't think mine did this when it was delivered in July. If it did, nothing compared to yesterday. Been using Power Service Diesel fuel supplement with centane boost. I'll start it sometime today and see if any difference between setting overnight compared to a week.
 

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What additive does everyone recomend?
Stay away from any additives that use Alcohol in them. A lot of big name additive products are mostly Kerosene, not worth your money.

I would use a quality additive such as Stanadyne or Opti-Lube. John Deere's own fuel treatment is made by Stanadyne.
 

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Mine's doing it too at 56 hrs. Just started with the drop in temperatures after sitting for a week.
 
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