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Does anyone know when the 2020 1025R models are going to start production? One dealership I talked to said that the 2020 model should hit the lots in October. As strange as it may sound, I would prefer to buy a tractor at the beginning of a new decade (2020) instead of buying at the end of a decade (2019), but maybe that's useless thinking.

All my dealers are 2+ hours away, but one of them has a 2019 1028R for $23,000 with loader, backhoe, and my option of a rear blade or box blade. Is that considered a good deal? He did say they would add non-freeze fluid to the rear tires for no extra cost.
 

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Does anyone know when the 2020 1025R models are going to start production? One dealership I talked to said that the 2020 model should hit the lots in October. As strange as it may sound, I would prefer to buy a tractor at the beginning of a new decade (2020) instead of buying at the end of a decade (2019), but maybe that's useless thinking.

All my dealers are 2+ hours away, but one of them has a 2019 1028R for $23,000 with loader, backhoe, and my option of a rear blade or box blade. Is that considered a good deal? He did say they would add non-freeze fluid to the rear tires for no extra cost.
Help us understand the significance of this as I don't see the difference, unless it's about the number 9 verses 0, which does make a difference to some people...
 

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Wasn't there some yipYap about JD building their "Own" small engines?

Hopefully they gave up on that as the subject has been quiet for a while...
 

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I couldn't help but comment on your User Name......I would assume from the name you are in the industry, etc.

One thing I do know for sure, I have a rule of absolutely no more than 15% Bio-diesel in my diesel equipment because of it's significantly higher moisture in suspense content (water) in the fuel and its lower cetane levels..........and I only "tolerate" the 15% because by law, the fuel companies can blend in up to 15% Biodiesel and not have to label it as such. Above that, it become B20, etc. and those are fuels I choose not to burn.

Granted, my weather is very different than the weather likely is in your area. Filter freeze, fuel gelling is a real issue in my area as is preventing biological growth during weather like we are now having (95 degrees and 90% humidity, heat index at 108F.) But I don't want to de-rail your thread...............

As far as the price on the new unit, its "ok" but is no real deal.

Most of us have gotten anywhere from 9% to as much as 17% off the suggested retail of the unit. Pay attention to and Don't just pay the "Set Up charges, handling fees, document fees", etc. as those are all dealer add on's, negotiable and as far as I am concerned, the dealers cost of doing business.

Go to the Deere build your own module and see what the retail prices are on the options. No one pays retail knowingly from what I can see.

At $23k, its not much off retail as the Frontier 48" box blade is worth $750. As far as filling the tires, it's economic value is very low, maybe $125 for the pair..................You can do it yourself in about 30 minutes (the first time) with about $25 worth of material and "equipment".....
 

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I don't see any reason to wait, unless you just really want a 2020 instead of a 2019 :dunno: There will likely be no changes to the newer model for a few years, unless someone at JD has figured out that the ROPS doesn't need to be 10' in the air when up. :laugh:
 

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Wasn't there some yipYap about JD building their "Own" small engines?

Hopefully they gave up on that as the subject has been quiet for a while...
Personally, with my nearly 25 years of Yanmar use, if the plan was to have their own power plants in the 2020 small models, I would purchase the 2019 for sure.........after all, with issues like the air cleaner mounting (2013 -early 2018) prior to the change in 2018 and I personally would bet that was Deere's idea and not Yanmar's idea, I would rather let them shake the bugs out of the "new" power plants before I would want one in my garage.........

Yanmar has been very successful with their small diesels so I hope that Deere isn't changing their source. I will admit your reference to it was the first time I had heard that..................
 

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Help us understand the significance of this as I don't see the difference, unless it's about the number 9 verses 0, which does make a difference to some people...
As far as we know, there are no model changes from 2019 to the 2020, so the only real purpose in waiting a few months would be to buy in the new decade. It's more of a psychological decision than anything else. My wife was born in 1979, but wouldn't she sound much younger if I told you she was born in 1980?
 

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I couldn't help but comment on your User Name......I would assume from the name you are in the industry, etc.
No, I'm not in the industry, nor do I have any financial connection to the biodiesel industry. I've always loved diesel engines and felt that biodiesel has been a great way to keep the diesel engine alive politically.

One thing I do know for sure, I have a rule of absolutely no more than 15% Bio-diesel in my diesel equipment because of it's significantly higher moisture in suspense content (water) in the fuel and its lower cetane levels..........and I only "tolerate" the 15% because by law, the fuel companies can blend in up to 15% Biodiesel and not have to label it as such. Above that, it become B20, etc. and those are fuels I choose not to burn.
I like to run a minimum of B5 in our Ram Cummins and Ram Ecodiesel mainly for fuel lubricity and it's ability to keep the fuel system clean. I rarely see B20, but have ran B20 a few different times. B15 is pretty rare, too. B5 - B10 seem to be the standard in most fuel supplies that I've encountered. I take UOA samples and monitor the condition of the oil/engine to determine drain intervals.

Granted, my weather is very different than the weather likely is in your area. Filter freeze, fuel gelling is a real issue in my area as is preventing biological growth during weather like we are now having (95 degrees and 90% humidity, heat index at 108F.) But I don't want to de-rail your thread...............
I love diesel and bio talk, so I don't mind the derailment.

No matter where you are in New Mexico, the humidity if very low, but we can also be very cool. It was below freezing last week (27*F) in Eagle Nest, NM. I was in Red River camping and had the furnace on every night in the camper. The coldest I've seen at my property was -26*F. Unlike the north, we don't stay cool for long. It can be in the single digits at night and 50* for the daytime high. B5, if properly treated, hasn't been an issue for me, though.

As far as the price on the new unit, its "ok" but is no real deal.
Okay, that's good to know. So, there's some room to haggle, huh?

Most of us have gotten anywhere from 9% to as much as 17% off the suggested retail of the unit. Pay attention to and Don't just pay the "Set Up charges, handling fees, document fees", etc. as those are all dealer add on's, negotiable and as far as I am concerned, the dealers cost of doing business.

Go to the Deere build your own module and see what the retail prices are on the options. No one pays retail knowingly from what I can see.

At $23k, its not much off retail as the Frontier 48" box blade is worth $750. As far as filling the tires, it's economic value is very low, maybe $125 for the pair..................You can do it yourself in about 30 minutes (the first time) with about $25 worth of material and "equipment".....
The dealer told me that the 1025R with loader and backhoe would retail for 28K, so that's why I thought $23K was a decent price. I was in Oklahoma two weeks ago and saw a 2018 on the lot for $18,750 (Tractor, Loader, Backhoe).
 

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The dealer told me that the 1025R with loader and backhoe would retail for 28K,
If you build one on John Deere's webpage, a TLB total shows list as $25,057. That's without a mmm or any other stuff.
Either he was fudging or they added a mower deck or something.
 

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If you build one on John Deere's webpage, a TLB total shows list as $25,057. That's without a mmm or any other stuff.
Thank you, jimmylh, that's why I like the forum. I think New Mexico has no problem selling tractors at MSRP, hence the higher prices. I saw TLB prices online in Cairo, Georgia for $20,449. Maybe I should consider a road trip.
 

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If you build one on John Deere's webpage, a TLB total shows list as $25,057. That's without a mmm or any other stuff.
Either he was fudging or they added a mower deck or something.
I was thinking the same thing, there are people all over the country buying the new 2025R TLB w/MMM for 28K or less in some cases.
 

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Thank you, jimmylh, that's why I like the forum. I think New Mexico has no problem selling tractors at MSRP, hence the higher prices. I saw TLB prices online in Cairo, Georgia for $20,449. Maybe I should consider a road trip.
What part of New Mexico are you in?
 

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I was thinking the same thing, there are people all over the country buying the new 2025R TLB w/MMM for 28K or less in some cases.
Yeah, things are a little different here in New Mexico. The Ram dealers aren't much better. I usually have to threaten to go out of state before Ram dealers want to negotiate. I'm all about paying an honest price, but I'm not going to give away my money.

By the way, I watched your latest YouTube video. Looks like a neat little operation.
 

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I was thinking the same thing, there are people all over the country buying the new 2025R TLB w/MMM for 28K or less in some cases.
Mine was a little over 28k out the door in Pennsylvania. That’s TLB with MM and forks.

Does anyone know when the 2020 1025R models are going to start production? One dealership I talked to said that the 2020 model should hit the lots in October. As strange as it may sound, I would prefer to buy a tractor at the beginning of a new decade (2020) instead of buying at the end of a decade (2019), but maybe that's useless thinking.

All my dealers are 2+ hours away, but one of them has a 2019 1028R for $23,000 with loader, backhoe, and my option of a rear blade or box blade. Is that considered a good deal? He did say they would add non-freeze fluid to the rear tires for no extra cost.
I don’t see any reason to wait till next year. I don’t think these things depreciate quite like cars based on model year. Probably more based on hours and condition.
 

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Here are the prices I've found so far. I drive through Guymon, OK to visit my parents who live near Olathe, KS, which is why those were identified. Flagstaff is only 3 hours away, which is why they are identified. GA, OH, and TX were online prices used as reference.

2018, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $18,750 Guymon, OK
2019, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $20,449 Cairo, GA
2019, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $20,449 New Albany, OH
2019, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $20,800 Olathe, KS
2019, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $21,500 Lorenzo, TX
2019, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $22,000 Flagstaff, AZ
2019, 1025R Loader and Backhoe $23,500 Belen, NM

Flagstaff said they could deliver one to me for very cheap.
 

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Thanks to the information I found in this forum, I was able to buy a trailer today. The trailer is 83” inches x 16' feet. It is rated for 10,000 lbs and has self-adjusting brakes on all 4 wheels, LED lights, tool box, and lots of tie-down points including 4 D-rings. I think this will be perfect for the 1025R with loader and backhoe.

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Thanks to the information I found in this forum, I was able to buy a trailer today. The trailer is 83” inches x 16' feet. It is rated for 10,000 lbs and has self-adjusting brakes on all 4 wheels, LED lights, tool box, and lots of tie-down points including 4 D-rings. I think this will be perfect for the 1025R with loader and backhoe.

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That's a good looking trailer. It will handle the 1025 and other attachments well.
 

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That's a good looking trailer. It will handle the 1025 and other attachments well.
Thank you.

I posted a picture of the frontside yesterday, but not the backside. If you zoom in, you'll see the doors that house each ramp. I really like the seamless dovetail, too.

 

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As far as we know, there are no model changes from 2019 to the 2020, so the only real purpose in waiting a few months would be to buy in the new decade. It's more of a psychological decision than anything else. My wife was born in 1979, but wouldn't she sound much younger if I told you she was born in 1980?
I see no reason to wait if you need a tractor now. I am a utilitarian in thought and I do not look at numbers in reference to the subject matter you spoke of. If it were a matter of significant changes in the layout and functionality that improved on the design I would say weigh out the options then make a decision. Like Sullybear, stated on the engine thing, if JD is thinking of coming out with their own powerplant I would then wait another 2-3 years after 2020 for them to work out any issues as there is always issues and the first to buy something totally re-engineered are the crash test dummies!

But like I said, I am a utilitarian in my thinking and I just tell you exactly what I think, even if it hurts. So why wait if you need a tractor now. Just to state my story I am a recent purchaser of a 1025R and I bought a new on the lot 2018 model because the dealer saved me over $1500 off a so-called 2019 sitting there and there was no change in the two. Once again, utilitarian and practicalist I am...….saved $1500 to go toward implements!
 
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