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The last power outage in Northern MN was for 5 days, I REALLY need a better solution than the 8 HP B&S driven 4 kw generator that terrorized the wife and neighbors with all the noise. Looking at my JD 1026 with bucket and backhoe. The midpoint PTO runs at 2100 rpm with 3400 rpm engine speed. A friend has a 7KW belt drive, 3600 rpm alternator head that he will sell me cheap. Figuring a 1:2 belt drive off the Mid point PTO and the long shaft for the snowblower, run the engine at 2850 rpm.

The other option is a farm style PTO driven generator with the gear drive to handle the 540 rpm rear PTO. Saw a used one that mounted the generator and gear case in a frame that worked with the 3 pt hitch. Normally sits on built in casters in the back of the garage, back up to it, hook on, slide in the PTO shaft, good to go.

Any one done this? What am I missing? I am aware of the operator's seat switch
 

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I might be crazy in my thinking but man I'd hate to have my tractor sitting there with the engine rpm's ran up that high for hours at a time doing nothing more than spinning a pto shaft. I'd personally look into something that would run off the 540 and at far less engine rpm's. I'd feel fairly good about letting mine run at 1500 or so for awhile but much more and I'd feel guilty inside with thoughts of abusing it.
 

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Some say a tractor engine does not hold speed well enough to give accurate frequency,,,
BUT,, most generators are powered by a lawn mower engine. :flag_of_truce:

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I say GO FOR IT!! :good2:
 

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I might be crazy in my thinking but man I'd hate to have my tractor sitting there with the engine rpm's ran up that high for hours at a time doing nothing more than spinning a pto shaft. I'd personally look into something that would run off the 540 and at far less engine rpm's. I'd feel fairly good about letting mine run at 1500 or so for awhile but much more and I'd feel guilty inside with thoughts of abusing it.

I, personally, would have zero concern about running a diesel (that is beyond a good break-in period) for hours,,,
with proper oil changes. 4,000 hours is nothing for these engines.

Most owners are ready for a new machine at less than 600 hours,, mostly because of boredom,,
and the fact that the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence. They want all the new bells and whistles.

Heck,, while you have it, put the hours on the machine you own! JMHO.
 

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That is very true and I thought about that with the gen we use during power outages. It ran for almost two weeks straight during an ice storm only being shut down to check the oil and refueling. But it's a Briggs engine that's a dime a dozen, my Deere is,,,,,,, uhhhhh, well plainly put my Deere is my freaking baby and I'll use the heck out of it but I just can't bring myself to the thought of running it up to 2800rpm, kicking on the pto, then coming inside and kicking back for several days and not feel like I'm hurting it in some way. When using it at rated speed there's different load variations that seems different in my head than just letting it sit there for hours on end idling away. When we were farming and looking at second hand tractors it always seemed like the ones that had been used for little more than running augers for grain bins wasn't as desirable as a tractor that had been worked for a lot of hours. There had to be something to that high idling that made them less desirable for resale. Maybe that's just some b.s that people think around here and doesn't hold much truth in reality.
 

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I wasn't being spot on accurate, just speaking in general on idling a tractor that high for lengths of time.
 

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The last power outage in Northern MN was for 5 days, I REALLY need a better solution than the 8 HP B&S driven 4 kw generator that terrorized the wife and neighbors with all the noise. Looking at my JD 1026 with bucket and backhoe. The midpoint PTO runs at 2100 rpm with 3400 rpm engine speed. A friend has a 7KW belt drive, 3600 rpm alternator head that he will sell me cheap. Figuring a 1:2 belt drive off the Mid point PTO and the long shaft for the snowblower, run the engine at 2850 rpm.

The other option is a farm style PTO driven generator with the gear drive to handle the 540 rpm rear PTO. Saw a used one that mounted the generator and gear case in a frame that worked with the 3 pt hitch. Normally sits on built in casters in the back of the garage, back up to it, hook on, slide in the PTO shaft, good to go.

Any one done this? What am I missing? I am aware of the operator's seat switch
If 4KW is enough power for you, then you might want to look for a way to control the noise. A simple box around the generator with the right airflow will do wonders for your noise, at least directing it away from your neighbors. I had a 17kw generator at the old house (very suburban gated community) and my biggest problem was generator guilt. While everyone was out of power for three days I was running a blender, watching the game, and had every light in the house going. While I offered up power to the closer neighbors there was always the ones that drove by giving me the envy eye. I ended up moving the generator next to an outbuilding for completely unrelated reasons and while I was at it I built a wood fence around that area, mostly for the genset but also as another place to hide junk. It ended up really knocking down the noise and I felt slightly less guilty sucking down the old margaritas and watching the news about how long my neighbors were going to be out of power, in between games of course.

Also, if you are looking at running any expensive electronics you may find that those old style generators put out crap AC. So full of noise that most modern electronics throw a fit, right before they blow smoke. If you are just running the fridge, a few lights, and the fan for the heater then no big deal.

Either way, I don't think running your tractor is going to hurt anything, they are designed to do that (run forever), just watch the temp and fluids and of course it will feel like maximum overkill the entire time but meh.. you're just maximizing your investment so no biggee.
 

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My brother in Michigan has a gen. for his Steiner tractor. Steiner is the same as a Ventrac. They live in the country and he uses it every time the power goes out in the winter. Does a good job and doesn't hurt the tractor. His gen. is made for his tractor so you might want to check into that.
 

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I'm surprised no one has brought up the storm cleanup, tractor work argument yet!!!

After a storm you are likely to need your tractor for cleanup, the loader, the BH and pulling/dragging logs for starters not to mention snow removal, etc., etc., the list of possibilities is endless.

I for one know that value first hand from recently living thru an EF 1 tornado that hit my property last month.... I would literally have killed myself trying to do all the cleanup I did without my tractor had it been tied up to a generator. As it was I ran my HW 7.5 KW gen for a couple days after the storm and put close to 20 hours on the tractor too in the days following the storm.

Not having BOTH machines usable for their intended purposes for that time would have been quite a struggle-keep your tractor available for tractor duty and work out other solutions to your power needs.
 

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I'm sure people have done it but I wouldn't bother. The initial cost issues are a killer to start with. For the cost of a PTO generator you can buy 2 of those rattle-trap portable generators AND an enclosed trailer to put them in to keep the noise down and keep them out of the weather.

My personal concern with using them isn't so much the wear & tear on the tractor but that PTO driveshaft spinning for 5 days straight. If the generator seizes up or that PTO shaft comes apart, things can get ugly in a hurry.

If I had a need for a PTO generator for routine functioning around a farmstead and suddenly had to put it into use to power the house I wouldn't blink. But it would be pretty far down the list of options as my first choice if the primary reason for a generator is to power the house in an emergency.
 

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I'm surprised no one has brought up the storm cleanup, tractor work argument yet!!!
Not having BOTH machines usable for their intended purposes for that time would have been quite a struggle-keep your tractor available for tractor duty and work out other solutions to your power needs.
WHY,,, would you need electricity INSIDE,,,

when you are on the OUTSIDE,,, cleaning up!!?? :dunno:

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WHY,,, would you need electricity INSIDE,,,

when you are on the OUTSIDE,,, cleaning up!!?? :dunno:

:laugh:
Don't know about you, but I prefer to store my food not only inside, but a lot of it is in a refrigerated appliance of some sort that requires power. Same for my well pump and furnace.
 

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WHY,,, would you need electricity INSIDE,,,

when you are on the OUTSIDE,,, cleaning up!!?? :dunno:

:laugh:
Other family members may be inside and they may have a need for electrical power.
 

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Other family members may be inside and they may have a need for electrical power.
They will be more likely to come outside and help with the cleanup if they have no power inside. :laugh:
 

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Don't know about you, but I prefer to store my food not only inside, but a lot of it is in a refrigerated appliance of some sort that requires power. Same for my well pump and furnace.
It would be nice to have a hot shower in a heated house when you are done with the clean up.
This was a real problem the first time my power went off for a week.
A friend that was helping me get my generator set up working was all worried about my cold food. Had to tell him I'm not worried about cold food. I'm worried about a cold me!
It took some time but I got a decent portable set up that will power my whole trailer. Total cost was under $1,500. Everything works just like pole power.
 

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I've been reading the same debate for years in different threads here and different forums. Everyone has an opinion based on their individual needs.

As far as the tractor driven generator, if the initial cost weren't an issue right now I would have bought one recently instead of a gasoline standalone. My main reason is that I always have 500-1000 gallons of diesel fuel on hand here.

As far as tying up your tractor - I don't know why anyone would run a generator 24/7 during an outage. Run the generator for a few hours, disconnect (2 minutes?) and do your tractor work for an hour or two - then hook back up to the generator.

Our little diesel engines are perfect for an application like this. Will run for many hours at a time and are liquid cooled.
 

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As far as tying up your tractor - I don't know why anyone would run a generator 24/7 during an outage. Run the generator for a few hours, disconnect (2 minutes?) and do your tractor work for an hour or two - then hook back up to the generator.

Our little diesel engines are perfect for an application like this. Will run for many hours at a time and are liquid cooled.
When you get the PTO generator,,, I will be at your house the next power outage!! :good2:

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Prices on the PTO gen sets I looked up range from 1000 to 1500. That's for a 7.5k to a 13k. Respectively. That being said. Let's remember that your PTO HP is less than engine HP. Yur about 18 at the PTO. Rough and rusty rule of thumb is 2 HP per KW. So at 18 HP on a perfect day, 70 degrees and at sea level, yur only gonna get 9 kW. So..
Now you have to factor in your power requirements. After or during a storm is not the time. Do it now.
I would also not rely on just one source for power and light. I have 5 Kero lanterns, 2 Coleman and a few LED lights. I also have 2 750 watt inverters, each is on an Optima yellow battery in a plastic battery box. Totally portable and no worry of leakage. My truck has a 2k inverter. I have a suitcase 1k inverter gen that gets 7 Hrs on a gal of gas at .75k.
Best thing you can do is inventory your needed power circuits. Then have an electrician wire in a gen panel. When power goes out, hook up and come on line. Your needed circuits will be on and you'll be safe. And I'll bet you can run with way less generator than you thought.

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WHY,,, would you need electricity INSIDE,,,

when you are on the OUTSIDE,,, cleaning up!!?? :dunno:

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They will be more likely to come outside and help with the cleanup if they have no power inside. :laugh:
2 year olds don't help with storm cleanup. Neither do their mothers when it's time to feed them, put them down for a nap, bathe them or get them to bed-though my wife was glad to help when she could.

We also like to keep our food safely inside, either in the fridge or freezer, have the ability to cook and clean, have fresh (well) water to drink and take hot showers and wash the clothes we got dirty cleaning up....
 
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