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I watched these two The Fast Lane truck videos on the upcoming 2020 Super Duty's. They are about 12-minutes each.

The first deals solely with the new 7.3l pushrod V8 gas engine, and the second covers pretty much the whole truck from the ground up.

Of course Ford hasn't released specs and pricing yet; but it will be interesting to see how the new 7.3l engine does in the power, torque and fuel economy department.

2020 Ford Super Duty 7.3L V8: Heres What You Need to Know! - YouTube


New 2020 Ford Super Duty Gets a More Powerful Diesel AND A NEW 7.3L V8 - YouTube
 

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Ford has the 2020 super duty on their website already. Which is unusual for them. I have been considering upgrading my 2016 for a 2019. They typically change model years around August. Now i will likely hold out for 2020 to get the 10 speed transmission.

Anyone know when one can order a 2020 ? I have been watching the local inventory and it looks like I’m going to need to order out a truck as I want a supercab which seems to be getting hard to find. Another option for me would be to keep my f250 and trade off my Colorado for a ranger . Not sure what to do.:unknown::dunno::gizmo:
 

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I have been keeping tabs on the super duty as I am in the market for a heavier duty truck. I was pretty dead set on the 6.7 diesel until I heard of this new 7.3 gasser. It will be interesting to see what trim levels get this motor and what the cost is. If the cost is close to the diesel then its a no brainer to stick with the diesel but we will see.
 

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I watched these two The Fast Lane truck videos on the upcoming 2020 Super Duty's. They are about 12-minutes each.

The first deals solely with the new 7.3l pushrod V8 gas engine, and the second covers pretty much the whole truck from the ground up.

Of course Ford hasn't released specs and pricing yet; but it will be interesting to see how the new 7.3l engine does in the power, torque and fuel economy department.

2020 Ford Super Duty 7.3L V8: Heres What You Need to Know! - YouTube


New 2020 Ford Super Duty Gets a More Powerful Diesel AND A NEW 7.3L V8 - YouTube

I have been trying to think back to when Ford last had a pushrod V8. It has been many years and I am really surprised about the 7.3L. Best I can remember, the last pushrod V8 was the 97 7.5L 460. I had a 97 with the 460. It was a heck of an engine in it's day. But when I compare it to my current 6.2L, the 6.2L wins hand down, both on power and fuel economy. If Ford were to develop an Ecoboost 6.2L, we would not need the 7.3L or the diesel. I would have to beg, borrow or steal some cash to get one of those.

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I have been trying to think back to when Ford last had a pushrod V8. It has been many years and I am really surprised about the 7.3L. Best I can remember, the last pushrod V8 was the 97 7.5L 460. I had a 97 with the 460. It was a heck of an engine in it's day. But when I compare it to my current 6.2L, the 6.2L wins hand down, both on power and fuel economy. If Ford were to develop an Ecoboost 6.2L, we would not need the 7.3L or the diesel. I would have to beg, borrow or steal some cash to get one of those.

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A turbo gas will never make the torque of a turbo diesel. So saying that a diesel is no longer needed is a bit of an overstatement.
 

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A turbo gas will never make the torque of a turbo diesel. So saying that a diesel is no longer needed is a bit of an overstatement.

Check out the specs on a 3.5L Ecoboost if you think that a gas engine cannot produce diesel like torque. That engine produces more torque than my 6.2L gasser and 95% of the torque is available as low as 1500 RPM, although max torque is at 2500 RPM. I have only driven one and it was a pre-production model before they went on sale to the public, but I can tell you that I was really impressed and I am a died in the wool V8 man with all my current vehicles being a V8. Max torque on my 6.2L V8 comes in somewhere around 4000 RPM. Since my 6.2L turns 1800 RPM at 70 MPH, if I had 95% of the torque available, it would make worlds of difference in towing. If the Ecoboost application can do that to a small engine like that, think what it could do to an engine nearly twice as big. And for a lot less money than the cost of a diesel. Last I remember, the Ecoboost engine was an $800 upgrade over the 5.0 V8. Compare that to the $8000-$10000 cost of the upgrade to a diesel. Would it ever have 1000lbs of torque like the new diesels? Not likely, but it would be close enough to make the lower cost very attractive.

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Check out the specs on a 3.5L Ecoboost if you think that a gas engine cannot produce diesel like torque. That engine produces more torque than my 6.2L gasser and 95% of the torque is available as low as 1500 RPM, although max torque is at 2500 RPM. I have only driven one and it was a pre-production model before they went on sale to the public, but I can tell you that I was really impressed and I am a died in the wool V8 man with all my current vehicles being a V8. Max torque on my 6.2L V8 comes in somewhere around 4000 RPM. Since my 6.2L turns 1800 RPM at 70 MPH, if I had 95% of the torque available, it would make worlds of difference in towing. If the Ecoboost application can do that to a small engine like that, think what it could do to an engine nearly twice as big. And for a lot less money than the cost of a diesel. Last I remember, the Ecoboost engine was an $800 upgrade over the 5.0 V8. Compare that to the $8000-$10000 cost of the upgrade to a diesel. Would it ever have 1000lbs of torque like the new diesels? Not likely, but it would be close enough to make the lower cost very attractive.

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I don't deny it helps, but even with a proper tune, I doubt adding a turbo and tune to the 6.2 would double your torque, and bring it down to a more useable RPM.
The 6.7s are making the 400 lb/ft of torque (that the 6.2 maxes out at) at about 1000 rpm. Current MY is pushing 935 lb/ft at 1800 rpm, which is pretty close to cruising RPM. Also, from idle to peak is a steady increase. Once it hits peak torque, it's relatively flat, maintaining close to that peak number until high in the RPM range (about 2800 rpm), peak HP point, when it falls off.
Turbo gassers on the other hand, torque climbs slowly, and falls off after reaching their peak.

When towing a load, I'll take the torque curve of a diesel every time.

As I stated, if you aren't "using" a diesel, then yes, today's gas options are very attractive.
 

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I was looking at maybe a possible upgrade as well from my 2016 F250 6.7 to a 2019 F250 6.7 but I may wait as well to see how the new gas 7.3 pans out.

Problem will be there might be a lot of great deals later in the year on the diesel because people are waiting so it will be hard to pass up the diesel....
 
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