Green Tractor Talk banner

1 - 14 of 14 Posts

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,876 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
For those of you who have not seen the new 2 series with the front 59" snowblower installed on the front 3 point hitch, you can click on the attached link to view the video tour I made.... It's a very nice install and only takes a few minutes to install or remove, maybe even 10-15 minutes to go from FEL to snowblower configuration.... I plan on making a video showing that swap-out in the near future.... Enjoy!

HomesteadJoe Tour of the 59” Front Mounted Blower on the Deere 2038R - YouTube

Sincerely
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
12,768 Posts
For those of you who have not seen the new 2 series with the front 59" snowblower installed on the front 3 point hitch, you can click on the attached link to view the video tour I made.... It's a very nice install and only takes a few minutes to install or remove, maybe even 10-15 minutes to go from FEL to snowblower configuration.... I plan on making a video showing that swap-out in the near future.... Enjoy!

HomesteadJoe Tour of the 59” Front Mounted Blower on the Deere 2038R - YouTube

Sincerely
So I assume that means you solved the stuck PTO coupler issue? What was the problem?
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,876 Posts
Discussion Starter #3 (Edited)
So I assume that means you solved the stuck PTO coupler issue? What was the problem?
jgayman,
I made this video before I attempted the removal of the shaft coupler. No, I have not yet solved that problem. I have several strategies that I intend to try on Friday (day off). What bothers me most about this is not knowing how it happened in the first place. I certainly don't want a repeat of this issue the next time the coupler is connected to the front PTO shaft.

Sincerely
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
562 Posts
Watched your video but couldn't seem to post a comment. I have a new 2018 2032R with the same snow blower.
There was a mention of the RIO in one of the comments. You might find this interesting.

When mine was delivered the RIO was shutting down every time I backed up with the blower running. I do not have a mower to worry about so was going to disable the mid RIO. Turns out there is a sensor in the PTO shaft support by the front axle. My favorite JD tech adjusted the position of the sensor and now no RIO issues. I am sure the RIO still works on the mower because that shaft isn't used in that configuration. But it sure works great when using the blower.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,876 Posts
Discussion Starter #5 (Edited)
jgayman,
I made this video before I attempted the removal of the shaft coupler. No, I have not yet solved that problem. I have several strategies that I intend to try on Friday (day off). What bothers me most about this is not knowing how it happened in the first place. I certainly don't want a repeat of this issue the next time the coupler is connected to the front PTO shaft.

Sincerely
I wanted to follow-up on this coupler issue. A few weeks ago I reconfigured BadAss for Spring by removing the front 3 Point Hitch and front PTO Shaft, and prepared everything (3 Point Hitch, Front 66" Blade and 59" snow blower) for summer storage. Prior to removal of the front 3 point hitch and PTO shaft I was compelled to get to the bottom of why my snow blower drive shaft coupler had become damaged and basically was stuck on the PTO shaft. It appears that the snow blower shaft had driven itself aft into the PTO shaft and the U-Joint had slightly damaged the front edges of the PTO shaft splines thus not allowing the coupler to slide off the splined PTO shaft. I wondered how could this happen? Is the snow blower drive shaft or mid-PTO shaft somehow too long? Well it turns out that when I installed the front bearing and carrier to the support for the Mid-PTO shaft, I installed it on the front side of the support frame (photo on left showing silver triangular shaped bearing carrier) which is 1/4" thick steel. The installation instructions did not specify the specific position of the bearing and carrier, so I chose to install it on the front for my own reasons. Well apparently that gives 3/8" less clearance for the snow blower drive shaft U-Joint & coupling which was apparently interfering with the PTO shaft splines. I relocated the bearing and carrier to the back side of the front support (as shown in the photo on the right) and gained 3/8" more clearance for the snow blower shaft, and this appears to have solved the mystery. I did end up replacing the quick coupler because I had to cut it off to remove it from the front PTO shaft. Green Farm Parts had the detail parts I needed for less than $50. All in all it wasn't a horrible experience, it just took some time to figure out. Here are some photos showing the bearing and carrier mounted on both the front (before) and back (after) side of the front support.

Sincerely
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
562 Posts
Excellent detectve work Joe. Whenever something failed I always had two questions: What? and Why? The what allowed me to fix the symptoms this time. Solving the why allowed me to fix the cause of the failure. Sometimes they were the same thing, sometimes not. I tended to learn more about the whole thing during the detective work and it was often interesting and challenging. Sometimes I came up with improvement ideas.

I never understood why other techs didn't put in the extra effort to get it right.

I wish the instructions were more complete.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,876 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
Excellent detectve work Joe. Whenever something failed I always had two questions: What? and Why? The what allowed me to fix the symptoms this time. Solving the why allowed me to fix the cause of the failure. Sometimes they were the same thing, sometimes not. I tended to learn more about the whole thing during the detective work and it was often interesting and challenging. Sometimes I came up with improvement ideas.

I never understood why other techs didn't put in the extra effort to get it right.

I wish the instructions were more complete.
Thanks RadarDon. I was a professional troubleshooter for years and know a little about relentless root cause analysis and corrective action. I studied this at Ito University. Improvement and innovation are typical outcomes of an "investigation" like this. I must say that I am also somewhat disappointed at the poor quality of these specific installation instructions. The illustrations were not even helpful in determining the correct part locations. I chalk it up to the old adage, "live and learn"! Hopefully this helps some other poor soul in the future!

Sincerely
 
  • Like
Reactions: Herminator

·
Registered
Joined
·
562 Posts
I want to thank you for your post and am grateful you did it just before I needed it.

I went out to "George" this morning on my way to my JD dealer to get supplies. My snow blower is still hooked up. Can't really do anything else until the mud firms up so no hurry. I looked down and the triangular mounting plate is mounted in exactly the same place as yours that caused your problems. Now we have something more to talk about when I get there.

I started at the parts counter and an older tech was passing a little time when I got there. My best tech showed up when he heard my voice. I tend to bring interesting and educational problems. As I described what you reported and what I found on mine the older tech acknowledged it was a problem on several machines. I got my tractor with 6 hours on it in time for snow so it is in the same configuration it was delivered. There is less than 12 hours now so I haven't had much practice yet. The upshot is they will pick it up next week, remove the snow blower and check for any damage, replace anything bad, and move the mount to the correct position. All at no cost to me, I made sure of that. I might even be there to look over their shoulder.

They'll put the snow blower back on so I can start creating my Book of George documenting how to do everything I need to know as my mind goes. I need to take my OTC cab off before they pick up, it doesn't ride well at highway speeds. Was going to do that anyway for spring and the BH.

It seems the problem isn't on every installation, just on a significant few. I guess toleraces are a bit loose.

Since I went to pick up filters and fluids they showed me the filter kit. They were a bit surprised it was only for Gen 1 2032R. Got them to look and LVA23615 MAY be the upcoming filter kit for Gen 2, but they haven't seen any yet.

I did radar systems since 1972, fixing and teaching all over the world, starting with the USAF. Also fixed a lot of consumer stuff over the years. I can't count the times I was called in after they fixed the same symptoms more than 3 times is as many days. I am self taught after the USAF schools, no time for college. My tractor is my newest hobby and I am learning fast. Unfortunately, I seem to be aging faster.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Herminator

·
Registered
Joined
·
562 Posts
Oh, they even joined in when I lamented about the downward trend in the documentation. Even military technical manuals follow that trend. Good enough isn't as good as it used to be.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,876 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
Oh, they even joined in when I lamented about the downward trend in the documentation. Even military technical manuals follow that trend. Good enough isn't as good as it used to be.
I fully agree about the decline in the quality of the tech pubs. The trend appears to be that pubs are outsourced because they can be done cheaper. Unfortunately we pay the price with lower quality publications written by people who have never once seen the equipment they are writing about. I see this in the industry I work in. It’s very sad indeed. I hope this declining trend will catch up with corporations eventually and something will change for the better.

Good luck and I look forward to hearing if they found any damage to the shaft or the quick-coupler. Il give you a hint. If the zerk fitting in the aft u-joint of the short snow blower shaft got damaged or broke off, we had a very similar, perhaps identical problem.

Sincerely
 
  • Like
Reactions: Herminator

·
Registered
Joined
·
562 Posts
I fully agree about the decline in the quality of the tech pubs. The trend appears to be that pubs are outsourced because they can be done cheaper.
Sincerely
My last 25 year gig was on state of the art radar systems at the source. The manuals were not outsourced, but more of the systems themselves were a collection of COTS equipment. Not in itself a bad thing but they did nothing to integrate the generic COTS docs with the radar system. And if something got a little too tricky in the system manuals, they just deleted and ignored it. I watched the manuals go way downhill due to cost cutting, not spending the time to get it right. Even the USG seemed to go along with it.

The manuals folks hated it when I brought in the redlines. They almost always got shelved and lost at the end due to lack of funding to make the corrections. But then, no one wanted me to see what they had until they were done.

I mostly did training during this time. Engineering for new stuff often fell behind schedule but training wasn't allowed to. I would tell the engineers that if I have to go first I get to name it and they would have to build it that way. It truly did happen a couple times. It seemed as if I knew the specs better than they did. Some of the engineers used to sit in on my customer classes to find out how their stuff worked. I kid you not.

I guess I just belong to a different era. I still miss teaching, but not the work environment.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
562 Posts
I finally got out to check the PTO shaft for my 59" front mount blower just like yours HomesteadJoe. My mounting plate was in the same position as yours was that caused problems. With the blower on the ground and the shaft about as short as it gets in operation I have at least a couple inches of PTO shaft slide space. Certainly a lot more than a 3/8" shift could distress. It sounds like your shaft might be a tad too long perhaps? Or restricted in movement? The PTO shaft on mine is marked BLV10799.

The dealer put it all on for me, I haven't had any practice putting it on or off yet, and I have asked again for all the installation instructions they wouldn't give me the first time. Heck, I'm so green I had to ask how to get the PTO shaft off. So far I've only added about 9 hours to the 6 it came with. I looked over my tech's shoulder as he went through the different front PTO shafts trying to pick out the one I have. There seems to be a lot for the different machines. Could the 2032R and 2038R be that different as to make a problem?

Since I see no issue with mine so far I see no point in letting the dealer have it for a week to look. I hope to get the SB and OTC cab off today with lots of pictures so I can put them back on late in the year.

My best tech recommends removing the front bearing/bracket and intermediate PTO shaft to the MM along with the SB to increase ground clearance. Heck, the loader mount is lower than this lot.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HomesteadJoe

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
12,768 Posts
  • Like
Reactions: HomesteadJoe
1 - 14 of 14 Posts
Top