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Just got my brand new 2038r with loader backhoe and 72" auto connect mower. What a nice machine! First thing I did was to remove the mower and backhoe to store those for the winter. Then I wanted to put on the rear 3 point hitch for a blast box so I can use the tractor for plowing snow. Problem is I can't put the bottom links on the shaft. I slide the shaft all the way until it hits the wheel rim, then you slide the bushing the opposite direction so the lower arm will fit on the shaft. Problem is the bushing hits on the frame mount for the backhoe and doesn't open enough space for installation of lower arm. Hope I have described this good enough. Anyone with a 2038r knows how to put the arms on. Wondering if anyone has had this same problem with a frame mount for a backhoe getting in the way?
 

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Just got my brand new 2038r with loader backhoe and 72" auto connect mower. What a nice machine! First thing I did was to remove the mower and backhoe to store those for the winter. Then I wanted to put on the rear 3 point hitch for a blast box so I can use the tractor for plowing snow. Problem is I can't put the bottom links on the shaft. I slide the shaft all the way until it hits the wheel rim, then you slide the bushing the opposite direction so the lower arm will fit on the shaft. Problem is the bushing hits on the frame mount for the backhoe and doesn't open enough space for installation of lower arm. Hope I have described this good enough. Anyone with a 2038r knows how to put the arms on. Wondering if anyone has had this same problem with a frame mount for a backhoe getting in the way?
I don’t understand why they delivered it without the three point arms on. You don’t remove the three point arms to hook up the backhoe

I did slide that shaft out over to replace my three point arms and I have a little bit of trouble getting that lined up the way you are describing.

Seems like maybe I had to put a jacket under the backhoe frame?

Here is the video from when I was doing it

Telescoping Draft Links Install - Upgrading My 3 Point hitch


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Yes what Rockhill said. Not sure how this is even possible unless the dealer had no clue what they are doing. They are delivered on and actually facilitate the install and removal of the backhoe assembly. How did you get the hoe off? The stabilizer arms? Can you post any pics?
 

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I attached 2 images. One with the shaft in the normal position. And the second picture with the shaft push all the way to the rim and the bushing pushed all the way the other way. As u can see the opening between them is very small. Not wide enough to put the arm in.
 

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I attached 2 images. One with the shaft in the normal position. And the second picture with the shaft push all the way to the rim and the bushing pushed all the way the other way. As u can see the opening between them is very small. Not wide enough to put the arm in.
I may be wrong but something seems totally off here. Id be calling your dealer. That tractor should have shipped with the three point in tact and the sub frame on. Its very possible they wont go on now. Watch this video regarding install, you will see the arms are used to lift the hoe to relieve the stress on the lock pins. Do you have the green spreader bar for the draft arms that come with the hoe?

 

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I attached 2 images. One with the shaft in the normal position. And the second picture with the shaft push all the way to the rim and the bushing pushed all the way the other way. As u can see the opening between them is very small. Not wide enough to put the arm in.
I shared a link to a video showing how I got around that. You just need to pull that u shaped bolt off the end and push the shaft out inside the rim and then do the same thing on the other side


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The shaft is pushed all the way to the side touching the rims in the one picture. Hopefully that was clear enoughto see? If I had wheel spacers on it I could gain enough room by pushing the shaft further over.

To take off the backhoe I just put a little up pressure on the hoe stabilizer legs, pulled the pins and lowered the backhoe onto the floor. It was very easy to removed the hoe. It just drops straight down once the pins were out. Putting it back on looked just as easy, pick it straight up with the stabilizer legs and put the pins in.
 

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The shaft is pushed all the way to the side touching the rims in the one picture. Hopefully that was clear enoughto see? If I had wheel spacers on it I could gain enough room by pushing the shaft further over.

To take off the backhoe I just put a little up pressure on the hoe stabilizer legs, pulled the pins and lowered the backhoe onto the floor. It was very easy to removed the hoe. It just drops straight down once the pins were out. Putting it back on looked just as easy, pick it straight up with the stabilizer legs and put the pins in.
Please read your manual when you can to see the proper mount and dismount for the backhoe once you get the lift arm issue resolved. Make sure you have the spreader bar for the hoe as well. Good luck.
 

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There was no issue with dismounting the backhoe. That was slick. It just not possible to put the 3 point arms on without removing the tires to allow enough room. It's either remove the tires or remove the sub frame. But that is the only way to get the 3pt hitch arms on. And of course I had the tires loaded, so lots of weight there to play with.

I talked to the dealer, he said it was a new setup for the backhoe. And I can't use the 3pt arms while the hoe is mounted, they have to be removed. The hoe is mounted closer to the tractor than the old way he said. They won't work with the bar across the bottom of the hoe. He was just leaving work, but will work on my problem. Bad thing is he's 100 miles each way! Sigh!

Seems like a design flaw for this new setup? I just made the 200 mile trip today, not looking forward to more trips to the dealer.
 

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There was no issue with dismounting the backhoe. That was slick. It just not possible to put the 3 point arms on without removing the tires to allow enough room. It's either remove the tires or remove the sub frame. But that is the only way to get the 3pt hitch arms on. And of course I had the tires loaded, so lots of weight there to play with.

I talked to the dealer, he said it was a new setup for the backhoe. And I can't use the 3pt arms while the hoe is mounted, they have to be removed. The hoe is mounted closer to the tractor than the old way he said. They won't work with the bar across the bottom of the hoe. He was just leaving work, but will work on my problem. Bad thing is he's 100 miles each way! Sigh!

Seems like a design flaw for this new setup? I just made the 200 mile trip today, not looking forward to more trips to the dealer.
I think the dealer is wrong but if that is the case it’s completely unacceptable. I take the Backhoe on and off sometimes a couple times per week and it only takes literally 1 minute

No way they added a step to that and made it take longer. You are the second person I have talked to that had their backhoe sent out without the three point arms on. I think the other person said that it mounted up normally afterwards? Not 100% on that

I do have the wheel spacers but that’s only 2 inches per side and it seemed like I had a good bit of clearance on mine because it was not close to touching the wheel. Maybe the 2” wheel spacers make the difference.

The pictures you shared did not show it up against the wheel So I was assuming it wasn’t. It also showed the U-bolt still being on the other side so I didn’t know you had taken both of them off

Another difference is that mine does not have those bushings

In the picture you did send, the arm would go in if the bushing was not there. Will that bushing not slide out towards the wheel side. If the bushing can be moved outword you would have the clearance you need


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If the bushing wasn't there it would certainly fit easily. I can't get the bushing off, just a little to long and catches on the end of the shaft. If the wheel was out half an inch it would come off. Just not enough clearance the way it is. 2 inch wheel spacers would fix the problem!
 

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If the bushing wasn't there it would certainly fit easily. I can't get the bushing off, just a little to long and catches on the end of the shaft. If the wheel was out half an inch it would come off. Just not enough clearance the way it is. 2 inch wheel spacers would fix the problem!
What you are describing makes sense, but it would seem that what Deere did doesn’t make sense

Keep us posted. If there is a design change or a solution for getting that shaft out I would like to cover it on YouTube for other people to be aware of


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The bushing won't go towards the closer wheel. The hole in the backhoe mount is just big enough for the shaft, not the bushing. So only choice is to go towards the center of the tractor with the bushing. I bet the dealer will expect me to pay for the wheel spacers? Lol. At least that will fix the problem.
 

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Who knows with deere, but that sounds ridiculous. Can you post a pic of your actual backhoe, from the side? Mine has a recess in the frame shown in red where the draw bar spreader in yellow would drop in.

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I talked to the dealer, he said it was a new setup for the backhoe.
If I had a dollar...LOL
No disrespect to him (yet), but we hear this all the time in the forums and MOST of the time the "dealer" is 100% wrong.
 

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Dealer called me today. Said the arms should not have been taken off, and should have a spacer bar in them. Just what you guys said on this forum!! He is going to send a service guy to my house to put it together correctly. :) thanks for all the help! I sure was confused! Especially not have one like this before.
 

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Dealer called me today. Said the arms should not have been taken off, and should have a spacer bar in them. Just what you guys said on this forum!! He is going to send a service guy to my house to put it together correctly. :) thanks for all the help! I sure was confused! Especially not have one like this before.
Thanks for sharing and glad the got it taken care of


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