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dellwas

Discussion Starter · Dec 27, 2011

We had some wet snow last week that I plowed/snowblowed. Yesterday we had some light rain, followed by a cold snap. Tractor is kept outside, but covered. Today I started it up, went to put in high range and it stalled. Started it again, put in low range, same thing. Also same thing when PTO engaged. Finally got it working by moving between HI/LO, back and forth, back and forth. Ditto with the PTO, on off. Eventually it started working fine. Think I should arrange for a service call, or do you guys think it's just due to weather conditions? Again, it's working fine now, but the tranny sounds a little noisier than normal, but that might just be me being paranoid. Trannie oil level is where it's supposed to be.

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dieselshadow

· #2 · Dec 27, 2011

I know I'm stating the obvious here, but it sounds like some water got in somewhere it shouldn't have. I would get the tractor inside somewhere where it's warm. Let it fully warm up to room temp and then change the oil in the transaxle. At a minimum look at the oil as it first drains out and see if you can see water. Does the oil look milky?

Keep us posted

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Gizmo2

· #3 · Dec 27, 2011

How cold is a cold snap?
Hy-Gard or Low-Viscosity Hy-Gard?
I think most of these tractors are shipped with Hy-Gard and if so I would guess it's too heavy for your area.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 27, 2011

Did drain some fluid, clear as a bell. Temp today is above zero, and it has started in a lot colder temps. Using HY-Gard both last winter and this. It's had one fluid change, though. Guess what, water in the fuel bowl, and the filter is completely brown, with rust in the metal part of the filter. Beginning to think it might have been just clogged enough that it killed it under strain, that is putting in gear, or using the PTO. Might have been enough water in that filter so that it was partially frozen, and eventually thawed, which allowed it to start. Guess I'll have to pick up a new filter, drain and flush the tank, and put the new filter and fresh fuel in.

dieselshadow said:
I know I'm stating the obvious here, but it sounds like some water got in somewhere it shouldn't have. I would get the tractor inside somewhere where it's warm. Let it fully warm up to room temp and then change the oil in the transaxle. At a minimum look at the oil as it first drains out and see if you can see water. Does the oil look milky?

Keep us posted

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Gizmo2 said:
How cold is a cold snap?
Hy-Gard or Low-Viscosity Hy-Gard?
I think most of these tractors are shipped with Hy-Gard and if so I would guess it's too heavy for your area.

Brian

· #5 · Dec 27, 2011

Sounds like you found the problem. Was this old fuel? You might want to look for a different place to buy your diesel.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 27, 2011

Not real old, but I'm adding two and two together. Don't think they sell a whole lot of diesel so that might be it.

Brian said:
Sounds like you found the problem. Was this old fuel? You might want to look for a different place to buy your diesel.

XSKIER

· #7 · Dec 27, 2011

It seems to me that your problem is electrical. After careful reading of your initial post, I can gather that the engine did not have the opportunity to see a load before shutting down. It seems that with working the levers that have safety switches attached, you temporarily cured the symptoms. I suspect the problem is moisture and/or corrosion in the seat and/or neutral safety switch circuits.

neeltburn

· #8 · Dec 27, 2011

Sounds like it could also be related to the driver present switch. I would say its more likely electrical than fuel related.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 27, 2011

Engine would work fine until I put it in hi or lo, or tried to use the pto. Please note that putting it into neutral and pulling on the PTO killed it too. Seat switch is loose, but I tested it by starting and lifting off the seat. This killed it every time, so don't think it's the seat switch, but it could be given that it's loose. Still can't see it though, given that playing with the levers and pto eventually cured it. Could be the neutral switch, I'll have to look into that if it happens again.

XSKIER said:
It seems to me that your problem is electrical. After careful reading of your initial post, I can gather that the engine did not have the opportunity to see a load before shutting down. It seems that with working the levers that have safety switches attached, you temporarily cured the symptoms. I suspect the problem is moisture and/or corrosion in the seat and/or neutral safety switch circuits.

neeltburn said:
Sounds like it could also be related to the driver present switch. I would say its more likely electrical than fuel related.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #10 · Dec 27, 2011

Well it's been sitting for 3 or 4 hours now. Just tried it, fired right up, put in gear no problem, and pto works fine. Course it's pretty warm right now, and heavy rain for tommorrow. It's under warranty anyway, if it happens again.

dmay

· #11 · Dec 29, 2011

dellwas said:
We had some wet snow last week that I plowed/snowblowed. Yesterday we had some light rain, followed by a cold snap. Tractor is kept outside, but covered. Today I started it up, went to put in high range and it stalled. Started it again, put in low range, same thing. Also same thing when PTO engaged. Finally got it working by moving between HI/LO, back and forth, back and forth. Ditto with the PTO, on off. Eventually it started working fine. Think I should arrange for a service call, or do you guys think it's just due to weather conditions? Again, it's working fine now, but the tranny sounds a little noisier than normal, but that might just be me being paranoid. Trannie oil level is where it's supposed to be.

When you state kept outside, but covered.... What type of cover? Does it offer air circulation? As an example covering a warm tractor with a tarp, traps moisture that will freeze. Adding a light bulb under the cover may assist evaporation.

Do you have a block heater? Plug in and let warm up for 15 mins before you start. Longer if really cold.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 29, 2011

Yup, tarp. However, I don't cover the whole tractor right down to the ground, and it's never covered until cooled down. We also had the same type of weather yesterday. Wet, cold, then freezing. Tractor started right up and went into gear, and the PTO worked as it should. Was at the dealer today, explained the symptoms and they feel it was probably the filter, although they don't rule out a sensor. I should have mentioned in the original post that a couple of times I had to crank it a few times, like it was starving for fuel, and then it would shudder for a bit. Not a problem either way as it's warranted and they will come out if it happens again.

dmay said:
When you state kept outside, but covered.... What type of cover? Does it offer air circulation? As an example covering a warm tractor with a tarp, traps moisture that will freeze. Adding a light bulb under the cover may assist evaporation.

Do you have a block heater? Plug in and let warm up for 15 mins before you start. Longer if really cold.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 1, 2012

Appears to be a couple of things. Went to start yesterday and same symptoms, start, put into gear and it stalled. Jumpered the seat switch and went into gear with no stall, unjumpered, start, into gear and stall. JD dealer will be out this week to replace, switch is really loose in the seat pan. Also drained the tank and got some water out. New filter and fuel now in tractor.

RandyM

· #14 · Jan 2, 2012

Thanks for the update George. Looks like you have a good handle on the problem.......s.

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jan 4, 2012

Dealer was out and put a new switch in the seat, but it seems awful loose (so was the old one). Are these supposed to flop around a bit, or are they firm in the seat pan?

Johndeere3720

· #16 · Jan 5, 2012

If I recall the seat switch in the 2210 is pretty tight. Is there a way to shim it so it fits in tightly?

RandyM

· #17 · Jan 5, 2012 (Edited)

dellwas said:
Dealer was out and put a new switch in the seat, but it seems awful loose (so was the old one). Are these supposed to flop around a bit, or are they firm in the seat pan?

Hey George, I will have to go look at mine to night and get back to ya. Did putting a new switch in solve the problem? What is holding the switch in place, a clip?

And where are the photos of this? :laugh:

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 5, 2012

Thanks Randy... Two little side clips spring out to hold it in place when it is installed, but there is a lot of play.

Sorry, not about to take a pic or video, for that matter of me wiggling a switch....:mocking:

RandyM said:
Hey George, I will have to go look at mine to night and get back to ya. Did putting a new switch in solve the problem? What is holding the switch in place, a clip?

And where are the photos of this? :laugh:

dellwas

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jan 5, 2012

That's a thought, but think I'll wait to see what others are like...

Johndeere3720 said:
If I recall the seat switch in the 2210 is pretty tight. Is there a way to shim it so it fits in tightly?

RandyM

· #20 · Jan 6, 2012

Now I understand.

Well, I looked at mine and I guess I have to ask what you consider loose. My switch does wiggle in the mounting a little but not what I would call loose considering the way it mounts. The switch itself has the spring clips built in to each side of the switch. The switch mounts into a cutout in the seat pan. Here are some pics for others to see what we are talking about. The first is the switch to which you can see the spring clip on the side facing up. The second is showing the switch mounted into the seat. The wire is disconnected from the far side. Hope this helps.

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