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Well being that I own a 2305 and a 2520 I thought it might be fun to compare the two. I'm not going to get into the specifications directly as you can compare them in another thread.

http://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/showthread.php?469-2000-Series-Comparison-Chart

And I am not going to go into detail of why and how I come to buy them, as I have explained that in the following thread.

http://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/showthread.php?471-How-I-Bought-My-Tractors

Let's start with some background of my situation and intended uses. First off, I currently have two properties that require maintenance with the use of these machines. They are located with in a quarter mile of each other. The first has some trees, house, out building, and a little over an acre. The second is my shop, few trees, and is 2.8 acres. I mow, weed spray, and fertilize all four acres. Two thirds of the properties are sloping grades, alright HILLS. There is some talk out there on other boards about the "instability" of these machines. Trust me I have had these things on side grades that I definitely took notice. I think they are more stable than people realize. I do not have fluid filled tires but, I do use a weight box with the loader. Also, keep in mind that I upgraded to these tractors from 20hp Wheel Horses.

Which now brings me to my first point; I would certainly put the 2305 on a steeper grade sideways than the 2520. I feel the 2305 has a much lower center of gravity. When you take into account the foot print of the machines they are very similar. At least the width is with in a few inches, the 2305 is actually wider on the front tread width, and the 2520 does have the longer wheel base.

All my attachments are interchangeable between the two tractors with the exception of the decks. I run quick hitches for easy connecting. I have run the loader on both and the differences are as noted out there on the web, with the speed and power going to the 2520. If I have any serious dirt digging to do I definitely will use the 2520 as the extra machine weight is the real advantage. I am not one to worry about any speed loss that the 2305 has but it is slightly slower for the loader controls.

In terms of mowing differences, the 2305 has a 62C deck while the 2520 has the 72" deck. They are definitely different machines in this respect. I basically can mow either property with either machine, and I have done it. However, the 2305 is agile and more maneuverable and best equipped to mow the acre parcel with the more obstacles. The 2520 is perfect for the large open 2.8 acres. Each will do either job. They both provide excellent cuts with their mulch kits. They both are very easy to mount and remove their decks.

The 3pt hitches are a big contrast. They are both category 1 but the 2305 does not have position control. Though I can work around this it would be a nice feature to have on both machines.

Each tractor has its own sound and smell, although the 2305 seems to run quieter. Though it won't be a largely noticed difference by most, the gearshift levers are on opposite side of the driver. This is a real annoyance for me as I own both machines and you find yourself reaching in the wrong place when swapping machines. Another difference is the 2520 does have lighted indicators on the dash for the 4wd and pto engagements, where the 2305 does not. I do like the indicator feature for the 4wd, it is just handy. The pto indicator is not that big of a deal, as you know when your attachments are running. The difference of the engagement lever for the 4wd on opposite sides of the operator is not a problem just different. The ROPS's are different; the 2305 does not fold down where as the 2520 does, not an issue for me either.

They are both comfortable to drive. They both do all the tasks I require of them. It really comes down to minor differences, they both fit well within their size group. Of all the tasks I do, either one will do the job. But, as long as I have the choice I definitely do consider the machine for the task. For example, snow blowing, tilling, 60gal 3pt sprayer, and heavy loader work, the 2520 will get first call. The dedicated tasks for the 2305 are the brush, 3pt spreader, and vacuum trailer. They both are well suited to my properties and task needs, they definitely are not the Wheel Horses, I think I'll keep'em.
 
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Great comparisons Randy. Real world comparisons are much more informative than the side by side spec sheet. My buddy is looking for a new tractor (used) and I will forward this to him. I am sure it will help as have your other threads about the 2305.
 

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Well, after snow clean up last night I realized I forgot another difference between these two machines. The 2520 has split brakes. One may not think this a big difference but split brakes definetely have their uses. I find the real need is with the blower which I have mounted on my 2520. Nudging left or right is a big help for this application in slippery conditions. Even 4wd will not always get me pointed in the right direction all the time. But, I was amazed that the split brakes will do it every time. I can definetely see where using split brakes on a lawn would not be something you would want to do. But in the right circumstances they are a nice feature to have. To get around this on the 2305 I would just back up an reposition at the desired angle. Something to consider when you are out there shopping.
 

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Thankyou for this post, i my self am new to this site and i am looking to purchase a 2520 this spring and you said it best about the snow blower. i have a 318 now and the split brakes would be a huge plus. I know how nice they are on the farm with the bigger tractors when you just need that little bit of swing when hooking up to something.
 

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Thankyou for this post, i my self am new to this site and i am looking to purchase a 2520 this spring and you said it best about the snow blower. i have a 318 now and the split brakes would be a huge plus. I know how nice they are on the farm with the bigger tractors when you just need that little bit of swing when hooking up to something.
Welcome to DT! This is a great place to learn and teach others. Don't be shy, we look forward to enjoying your input.
 

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Welcome cbasinait :)

My 318 is 21 years old now, it's still doing great. I have the blower for it, but only get to use it about every 5 years or so.

Agreed with all on the value of split brakes in general, and in the snow in particular. I've had my 21 HP Kubota B21 out in the snow twice, and the split brakes made all the difference. Now if only on the B21 the brakes and pedal-treddle were on _opposite_sides... :gaah:

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Welcome cbasinait :)

My 318 is 21 years old now, it's still doing great. I have the blower for it, but only get to use it about every 5 years or so. Also thankyou for all the welcomes. im looking forward to being here.

Agreed with all on the value of split brakes in general, and in the snow in particular. I've had my 21 HP Kubota B21 out in the snow twice, and the split brakes made all the difference. Now if only on the B21 the brakes and pedal-treddle were on _opposite_sides... :gaah:

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Yeah mine was my dads first then it was given to me when i bought my house. It to is around 20 yrs old and still running strong as ever. also thankyou for all the welcomes. Im looking forward to being a member of this site.
 

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Did I just hear a green up-grade?:mocking:
Well, if I were to upgrade tomorrow I might get a B26...

Normally, the tredel and brake on the same side is no worse than driving a car. It's just when you want to do the per wheel braking that you have to ride side-sadle :laugh:. Now I have not looked at the 2x20 series and backhoes in detail. I really like the subframe on the Kubota, and how well everything is protected. I'm not at all wild about the hydro fluid change process, very hard to get to things. Not sure if that's a small tractor or Kubota thing.

The biggest thing that would "drive me to a Deere" is my local Deere dealer is head and shoulders above the Kubota dealer. So if there was a 2x20 that had a substantial subframe for the backhoe, that would be tempting. There is a beefyness to the B21 and B26 that is not in any of the other Kubota CUTs.

I'm also a huge fan of a FOPS on an open tractor.

At this point in the game though, another fantastic feature of the B21 is it's paid for. So baring some massive failure, it will be cheaper to keep her.

Put another way, I'm far more likely to upgrade my 318 to a X748 than I am my B21 to a 2520 with a backhoe.

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Well, after snow clean up last night I realized I forgot another difference between these two machines. The 2520 has split brakes. One may not think this a big difference but split brakes definetely have their uses. I find the real need is with the blower which I have mounted on my 2520. Nudging left or right is a big help for this application in slippery conditions. Even 4wd will not always get me pointed in the right direction all the time. But, I was amazed that the split brakes will do it every time. I can definetely see where using split brakes on a lawn would not be something you would want to do. But in the right circumstances they are a nice feature to have. To get around this on the 2305 I would just back up an reposition at the desired angle. Something to consider when you are out there shopping.
We received 2 feet up here in Mass a week ago and to make a long story short about halfway through my snow removal project I "discovered" the use of split brakes. Helped speed up clean-up 100 percent.
 

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Great comparisons Randy. Real world comparisons are much more informative than the side by side spec sheet. My buddy is looking for a new tractor (used) and I will forward this to him. I am sure it will help as have your other threads about the 2305.
This may be a little off topic of the subject, but I have to ask. Why does everyone talk so highly about seeking out used equipment? For example just the other day I was offered a 2008 John Deere 2320 with less than one hundred hours and a 54" Belly Mower on it for just over $12,000. Now I can get a brand new 2013 from my dealer also with the 54" Belly Mower for $14,600. What is up, am I just talking to the wrong people and looking in the wrong places or is this simply acceptable for a used machine?

Also I am well aware that tractors hold their value extremely well but to me it just isn't worth it. I would rather pay the extra two-thousand and get a Factory New machine with both warranty and the sixty month financing. It is one hard deal to beat even with a machine in good working order for the price. By the way I couldn't get him to budge from his price. I offered him $9,500 to drive away with it that day and he was done talking right there, as was I because of the price difference we were at. Also I got the quote from my dealer over the phone and he did say he could not go any lower than that, but I bet if I was sitting there on the other side of his desk he would have more room to bargain.

So what is it that I am not seeing with used equipment? Please enlighten me almighty ones.
 

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Buy a brand new machine and see how much you would be willing to sell it for in five years.
That's why they hold their value.
Some can afford a new machine, some can't. Some are more mechanically inclined and therefore don't shy away from a moderately used machine. Me, I'm a rookie, I call the dealer if I have a question. If taken care of, a five year old machine is just as capable as a brand new one. You can buy other colors used for less but I love the resale value of that green paint.
Btw, you should be able to negotiate 10-15% from the dealer, buy a couple of attachments if your gonna finance, that should sweeten the deal for both of you.


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Just the name JOHN DEERE will make something save its resale value. Another thing is the price of a new machine to directly replace it. Back in 2003 a I got a new 2210 with loader for around $12.5-13K. Still today, you can find good low houred 2210s with loader selling for $9-10K. Whats a new 1023/1026 with loader? $14-16K. Take care of your machine and it will take care of you..
 
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