Might check your strainer to see if its going dry when it starts to die. Hope there is nothing in your tank. My 2305 just acted similar and I removed it to find fuel can parts. Course I heard the parts roll out of the can and into the tank so I knew what to look for !!
2520 Running and quiting...
My 2011 2520 with 108 hours on it won't stay running, I replaced both fuel filters but it is still doing the same exact thing. The dealership where I bought it wanted me to break the lines loose up by the manifold and see if there was air in the cylinder. I have a problem with that, first there is no reason to have air in the system because I have never run it out of fuel. 2nd would be with the fuel injected engines you are not supposed to worry about that even if you did. The tractor is hard to start and when it does run it will run and the die off and quit with a puff of blue smoke. The fuel is the same 30 gallons I have had since this past winter and have not had a problem with it. The dealership wanted to charge me to come pick it up so in my eyes they lost a customer! I will take it myself to another dealer that is closer... If I have to spend $150 for a round trip fee I will just spend the money on my own chain and binders. That to me is not customer service!
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It does not have a primer, fuel injected and yes it was doing the same exact thing before the filter change...X2 on the strainer.
Does your machine have a primer to fill the filters or is it self priming?
Did this issue start before or after the filter change?
Any odd color to the diesel or can you see water hanging out below the fuel in the filter housing?
Are you talking about the strainer were the water separator is? I have never just watched it bit it is always full. There should not be any big chunks of anything in my fuel cans, I bought all new ones when I bought the tractor....?Might check your strainer to see if its going dry when it starts to die. Hope there is nothing in your tank. My 2305 just acted similar and I removed it to find fuel can parts. Course I heard the parts roll out of the can and into the tank so I knew what to look for !!
Hey Tom
I don't think you ever got a proper :wgtt:
Man, sorry to hear you are having fuel issues now. What the dealer didn't do,was a bad move. I don't blame you for wanting to go elsewhere. Is it still under warranty?
I don't know of anything else to suggest to try. If the sediment bowl is staying filled then I'm assuming the pump is working properly,but from your symptoms it seems there is something blocking the flow. Can the relay be intermittent,or is one of those "it works or it doesn't work". Tom make sure that the sediment bowl is definitely staying full of fuel.
Hopefully you get this problem remedied quick.
Greg
I don't think you ever got a proper :wgtt:
Man, sorry to hear you are having fuel issues now. What the dealer didn't do,was a bad move. I don't blame you for wanting to go elsewhere. Is it still under warranty?
I don't know of anything else to suggest to try. If the sediment bowl is staying filled then I'm assuming the pump is working properly,but from your symptoms it seems there is something blocking the flow. Can the relay be intermittent,or is one of those "it works or it doesn't work". Tom make sure that the sediment bowl is definitely staying full of fuel.
Hopefully you get this problem remedied quick.
Greg
Greg, I was definitely upset that they didn't take care of me on this... I will check the bowl to make sure it is staying full tomorrow. I wanted to take it to Elder & Ag tomorrow but I have to get some chain binders and chains to trailer it properly (I just bought a car hauler about 3 weeks ago). I didn't expect the other place to trailer it because I didn't buy it there. Last week I went to Vernon's they only had one green tractor and about 50 red and 50 blue. It seems to me that they don't want green there anymore nor do they want to work on them... Maybe just my view?? I am going to have Elder look at the 4wd also while they have it...Hey Tom
I don't think you ever got a proper :wgtt:
Man, sorry to hear you are having fuel issues now. What the dealer didn't do,was a bad move. I don't blame you for wanting to go elsewhere. Is it still under warranty?
I don't know of anything else to suggest to try. If the sediment bowl is staying filled then I'm assuming the pump is working properly,but from your symptoms it seems there is something blocking the flow. Can the relay be intermittent,or is one of those "it works or it doesn't work". Tom make sure that the sediment bowl is definitely staying full of fuel.
Hopefully you get this problem remedied quick.
Greg
Oh yeah, thanks for the banner!Hey Tom
I don't think you ever got a proper :wgtt:
Man, sorry to hear you are having fuel issues now. What the dealer didn't do,was a bad move. I don't blame you for wanting to go elsewhere. Is it still under warranty?
I don't know of anything else to suggest to try. If the sediment bowl is staying filled then I'm assuming the pump is working properly,but from your symptoms it seems there is something blocking the flow. Can the relay be intermittent,or is one of those "it works or it doesn't work". Tom make sure that the sediment bowl is definitely staying full of fuel.
Hopefully you get this problem remedied quick.
Greg
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Diesels are fuel injected for sure. However a lot of them are not the self-bleeding kind that are on every fuel injected car built since the early 90's. Only the most modern diesels such as the common rails (injection system used on gasoline engines) are self bleeding. A few other specific injection pumps/injectors are self-bleeding. The majority of diesels are not self-bleeding. Have you ever hear an old-timer say something about never running a diesel out of fuel? That's because of how big of a pain it is to bleed the air out and getting them to start again. In your case, it's running, so an air lock isn't the issue.
I would start as others have mentioned. Clean the strainer, replace the fuel filter, and top off with fresh fuel after inspecting the tank. Diesel fuel will allow the growth of microbes and even some kinds of algae if it sits too long. Condensation is also a major problem, hence the separator bowl. Water is highly abrasive to the close tolerances of a fuel injection pump and injectors. You should only keep enough fuel on hand that you'll use within about a 3 month period. Even "new" fuel can be bad. Get your diesel at a station that sells a lot of fuel. Truck stops are a great place. The turn-over there is excellent insuring fresh fuel.
Glad to have you here Tom! :hi:
My 2011 2520 with 108 hours on it won't stay running, I replaced both fuel filters but it is still doing the same exact thing. The dealership where I bought it wanted me to break the lines loose up by the manifold and see if there was air in the cylinder. I have a problem with that, first there is no reason to have air in the system because I have never run it out of fuel. 2nd would be with the fuel injected engines you are not supposed to worry about that even if you did. The tractor is hard to start and when it does run it will run and the die off and quit with a puff of blue smoke. The fuel is the same 30 gallons I have had since this past winter and have not had a problem with it. The dealership wanted to charge me to come pick it up so in my eyes they lost a customer! I will take it myself to another dealer that is closer... If I have to spend $150 for a round trip fee I will just spend the money on my own chain and binders. That to me is not customer service!
Diesels are fuel injected for sure. However a lot of them are not the self-bleeding kind that are on every fuel injected car built since the early 90's. Only the most modern diesels such as the common rails (injection system used on gasoline engines) are self bleeding. A few other specific injection pumps/injectors are self-bleeding. The majority of diesels are not self-bleeding. Have you ever hear an old-timer say something about never running a diesel out of fuel? That's because of how big of a pain it is to bleed the air out and getting them to start again. In your case, it's running, so an air lock isn't the issue.
I would start as others have mentioned. Clean the strainer, replace the fuel filter, and top off with fresh fuel after inspecting the tank. Diesel fuel will allow the growth of microbes and even some kinds of algae if it sits too long. Condensation is also a major problem, hence the separator bowl. Water is highly abrasive to the close tolerances of a fuel injection pump and injectors. You should only keep enough fuel on hand that you'll use within about a 3 month period. Even "new" fuel can be bad. Get your diesel at a station that sells a lot of fuel. Truck stops are a great place. The turn-over there is excellent insuring fresh fuel.
Glad to have you here Tom! :hi:
Tom,
I had a similar problem with my 2305 recently. Turns out the filter separator bowl was almost empty each time the engine stalled. This occurred with fresh fuel and I had recently serviced the machine with new filters.
I removed all the hoses to the filter assembly and blew through them with compressed air to make sure the passages were clear. I found a wood shard about 3/32" X 1/8" X 3/8" - 1/2" long in the main feed intake port that was restricting fuel flow. I drained the tank into a clean 5 gallon fuel can and then reverse blew air into the main line back to the tank to insure it was clear. I couldn't see any other debris in the tank and the rest of the fuel in the can was clear so I buttoned it up and re-used the fuel. It doesn't take much of an obstruction to block the fuel line. Everything's been A-OK since.
Frank
I had a similar problem with my 2305 recently. Turns out the filter separator bowl was almost empty each time the engine stalled. This occurred with fresh fuel and I had recently serviced the machine with new filters.
I removed all the hoses to the filter assembly and blew through them with compressed air to make sure the passages were clear. I found a wood shard about 3/32" X 1/8" X 3/8" - 1/2" long in the main feed intake port that was restricting fuel flow. I drained the tank into a clean 5 gallon fuel can and then reverse blew air into the main line back to the tank to insure it was clear. I couldn't see any other debris in the tank and the rest of the fuel in the can was clear so I buttoned it up and re-used the fuel. It doesn't take much of an obstruction to block the fuel line. Everything's been A-OK since.
Frank
You do not have to worry about "Air lock" as stated in large bold print in the 2520 owners manual under "Checking & cleaning the Sediment bowl" that "NOTE: Fuel system is self bleeding" Also check all the items in your manual under "Troubleshooting" on page 58 in my book under "Engine Runs Rough or Stalls", also even if the fuel bowl appears to stay full when it stalls, try removing the fuel fill cap, as if the vent valve is plugged, or it is stuck, the engine will cut out, and be hard to start.
Everyone is giving a lot of good advice, I will go out and check some things today! Thanks!!!!You do not have to worry about "Air lock" as stated in large bold print in the 2520 owners manual under "Checking & cleaning the Sediment bowl" that "NOTE: Fuel system is self bleeding" Also check all the items in your manual under "Troubleshooting" on page 58 in my book under "Engine Runs Rough or Stalls", also even if the fuel bowl appears to stay full when it stalls, try removing the fuel fill cap, as if the vent valve is plugged, or it is stuck, the engine will cut out, and be hard to start.
Hey everyone, I went out and started the tractor and the fuel went down in the clear plastic piece (With filter and pet cock) 1/4 while it was running. So it does seem like that should be full all the time right? Just want to get some I.put on it?? Its kinda looking like I need to drain the fuel and blow out the line... I am going to get some fresh diesel today while I'm out. Also there is a metal filter that goes to engine that I didn't replace nor did they tell me to replace it. It has 2 bts on it one on each side with the squeeze clamps on it. Thanks in advance!
Yes Tom, the bowl emptying indicates a restriction in the flow from the tank-it should always be full. Another thing to check is the vent in the cap, if it's stopped up then fuel cannot flow out to the bowl.
That should stay full at all times.
I do not have that tractor, but most have the clear fuel bulb with a primary filter, 20 or 50 micron, and a secondary filter that goes down to 10, 5 or 2 micron. If you have bad fuel, your metal filter could be plugged, but being that you cannot keep the main filter area full, I would assume your issue is behind that.
Are the o-rings sealer correctly on the fuel filter you changed?
I do not have that tractor, but most have the clear fuel bulb with a primary filter, 20 or 50 micron, and a secondary filter that goes down to 10, 5 or 2 micron. If you have bad fuel, your metal filter could be plugged, but being that you cannot keep the main filter area full, I would assume your issue is behind that.
Are the o-rings sealer correctly on the fuel filter you changed?
I thought of the vent and loosened the fuel cap almost the whole way off and it did not change, so I guess that indicates something in the line or tank blocking it... Also what does everyone run in the summer for an additive?Yes Tom, the bowl emptying indicates a restriction in the flow from the tank-it should always be full. Another thing to check is the vent in the cap, if it's stopped up then fuel cannot flow out to the bowl.
The top filter I believe was built in and the bottom one had a loose o-ring that I put back in place. If they were not in place wouldn't it leak fuel? I can always take them back off and put them back on...That should stay full at all times.
I do not have that tractor, but most have the clear fuel bulb with a primary filter, 20 or 50 micron, and a secondary filter that goes down to 10, 5 or 2 micron. If you have bad fuel, your metal filter could be plugged, but being that you cannot keep the main filter area full, I would assume your issue is behind that.
Are the o-rings sealer correctly on the fuel filter you changed?
If there was a lift pump, most likely it would not presurize the line much. But since you cannot keep your fuel bowl full, I was thinking that you might have a leak allowing air into the system.
What about a fuel additive?
Tom,Also there is a metal filter that goes to engine that I didn't replace nor did they tell me to replace it. It has 2 bts on it one on each side with the squeeze clamps on it. Thanks in advance!
The all metal, silver bolted, in-line canister between the bowl and filter is the feed pump. Might see if you can check to see if it is pumping, might hum but not moving any fuel. I would think that if it wasn't working you would create a restriction. Just a thought.
P.S. All the Yanmar's are self bleeding so no worries about air unless you have a leak somewhere in a line.
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