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I am looking to get a tractor in the next six months. Here is a run down of what our immediate (next 20 years, lol) plans are:
  • Clear 5 acres of land of shrubs and pokey plants that aren't friendly
  • Plant trees (50+ at the moment) - a mix of native and non invasive, drought tolerant trees
  • New "utility" lines (water, electric, and gas) for new buildings
  • Easement maintenence (0.75 miles)
  • Reroute a wash along the property (initial estimates is ~1000 linear feet by 15 feet wide by 1.5 feet max depth (30 degree sloped sides). Will need to move rip rap to fill.
  • Grade for utility barn
  • Prep and grade for workshop
  • 0.75" - 2" gravel over ~ 2 acres
  • Lumber hauler (average project is 400 - 500 board feet - 4 pounds per bf is a reasonable number)
  • Small food plots over 1 - 2 acres
  • Septic tank relocation
  • Perimeter fencing
The land has caliche. When our pool was built, the primary caliche line was ~2 feet down and extended to at least the 11 foot mark. A full sized excavator was brought in for the dig so I have no clue how hard the caliche is, but it didn't struggle. Also don't know how the caliche line varies across the property.

The land is flat. The platt map shows a 10 - 15% change in slope along the long dimension, but it is flat.

My wife and I settled on a 2038r with backhoe based on what we felt was viable for our needs in terms of how fast we work, how quickly we need / want to work, and what would provide the most bang for the buck.

We talked to our local dealer and they are only getting a 3049r, 4044r, and 4052r and are not yet reserved over the next six months. Given the price delta between 3049r, 4044r and 4052r, we were leaning to the 4052r with backhoe (the drag racer in me wants the turbo :cool:).

There is only one area of property we will work on that has ~20' × 80' of drivable area that would make a larger tractor challenging, but we think we could manage with some 12 point turns.

Aside from cost / overkill is there any reason to not go with the 4 series?

Thanks!

~Hat

*edited to fix grammar / autocorrect issues.
 

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Yea the 4052R is likely the best pic for what your describing for your needs.
I have done several of those task you mentioned and I am thinking it's good thing they were out of 2038R you were planning to buy.

The loader capability and weight of the 2038R machine would have had some real issues with some of the task on your list there.

I have owned a 2038R, and a 4044R and currently own a 2025R and 4066R.

The 4052R is going to be a great choice for your overall needs.

I can tell you first hand a 2038R would not have liked messing with Rip-rap size rock at all. You would have been fighting moving that stuff all the way with a 2038R.

My 4066R can handle it, but honestly does not like that heavy large rock, but it can and has done it.

I agree 100% on the 4052R over the 4044R if your planning to have any PTO attachments, that turbo makes a world of difference on attachments like mowers, tillers or ground engaging tillage equipment in general. Strictly loader or backhoe work probably would not really matter.
 

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I’ll add that while a 4 series is larger in size than a 3 series, it’s turning radius is nearly the same which makes it surprisingly maneuverable for its increased size and capabilities.
 

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+1 on 4-series, and you’ll never wish you had less power, but may want more.
 

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Ditto on the 4-series recommendation. We have a small homestead and I don’t think we could get near the work accomplished satisfactorily with anything smaller. We routinely haul Class B Rip Rap to the lakefront, and we mill 1,200 to 1,500 board feet of lumber every couple of months or so. Plus, we have a small steel fabrication shop, and I’m always needing to lift materials, or fabricated items for receiving, work, or shipping.
 

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Yea the 4052R is likely the best pic for what your describing for your needs.
I have done several of those task you mentioned and I am thinking it's good thing they were out of 2038R you were planning to buy.

The loader capability and weight of the 2038R machine would have had some real issues with some of the task on your list there.

I have owned a 2038R, and a 4044R and currently own a 2025R and 4066R.

The 4052R is going to be a great choice for your overall needs.

I can tell you first hand a 2038R would not have liked messing with Rip-rap size rock at all. You would have been fighting moving that stuff all the way with a 2038R.

My 4066R can handle it, but honestly does not like that heavy large rock, but it can and has done it.

I agree 100% on the 4052R over the 4044R if your planning to have any PTO attachments, that turbo makes a world of difference on attachments like mowers, tillers or ground engaging tillage equipment in general. Strictly loader or backhoe work probably would not really matter.
So true, the turbo on the 2038 really whistles away running the tiller in virgin ground 💨
 

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Having a 4052R, I am also sure that you will love this tractor.

If you are saying to yourself "should I have gone up to the 4066R?", let me give you something to consider.

The 4052R and 4066R use the same frame, cab, transmission, and virtually the same engine and turbo charger, but the 4066R engine adds the complexity of an intercooler to pump out a few more horsepower.

The 4052R has an air conditioning condenser, fuel cooler, hydraulic oil cooler, and radiator located in front of the engine, all impeding the airflow drawn by the fan to keep everything cool.

The 4066R has all of these same things, but adds another radiator looking device (and lots of piping) called an intercooler which reportedly cools intake air to provide this added horsepower.

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The green piping in this picture going across the top of the radiator to the front intercooler are some of the extra pieces that are not present in a 4052R. These two holes are present, but blocked. You can see the big stack-up of "coolers" that are already present in 4 series tractors which is made worse by the addition of the intercooler. You have probably read threads on GTT discussing the challenges of keeping dust and chaff cleaned out of the areas between these coolers (and the coolers themselves) to allow the tractor to stay cool.
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Here is what the front of my 4052R looks like. There is nothing installed in front of the air conditioning condenser.

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The 4066R is a great tractor, but the added complexity of installing the intercooler crossed the line for me in making the decision to buy a 4052R. Admittedly, I do all my own wrench turning on all my cars, trucks, tractors, dozer, backhoe, etc, and have a "mechanic's mentality" on wanting to reduce complexity whenever possible, and reduce the number of components that can cause problems and make it more difficult to work on a vehicle.
 

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I wouldn't be worried about an intercooler. The larger tractors have them and they are generally used for much heavier duty cycles than compacts are. My 5075E has one and the radiator screen gets plugged before any of the other radiators or the intercooler does because the radiator screen sits right in front of the radiator, which is immediately before the cooling fan.
 

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because the radiator screen sits right in front of the radiator, which is immediately before the cooling fan.
The 4 series does not have a radiator screen to keep debris out of the radiator. A dumb move by Deere.
 
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