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318/50” mower burning drive belts

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Looking for assistance with my 318p218 and 50” mower deck. I’m on my third belt this season. All “seems” to be inline. All spindles spin freely pulley wheels on mule spin freely. What could be the cause and/or solution? At $40/belt I don’t want to continue on this path.
Thanks for any advice!!
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Classicdlmax,

Its been awhile, but I had a similar problem when I had the same deck. I believe I ended up replacing the bearing/shieve and bushing on the belt tightener.

Dave
I forgot to mention the belt was awfully hot upon breaking

I doing a deck rebuild in offseason and have been accumulating parts to do so, I’m hoping I somehow can get by. Thanks for the tip, I removed deck and mule to have a look. When I get back out in garage I’ll have a look at tensioner
Classicdlmax,

Its been awhile, but I had a similar problem when I had the same deck. I believe I ended up replacing the bearing/shieve and bushing on the belt tightener.

Dave
On the mule drive?
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No, the tensioner in the spindle gallery. It just occurred to me that the 50” deck has two belts. Which belt are you having problems with, the drive belt that runs through the mule drive or the belt that spins the spindles?
Sorry, thought I included that info….Drive belt is what has been failing
I'd look at pulley alignment on mule drive. As you apply tension to the belt, the pulley on the right (facing tractor) moves forward and the pulley on the left moves to the rear. With the correct JD belt, the tension indicator rod... if not bent... will show proper tension AND the belt will be coming straight down from the pto pulley to the idler pulleys. Over/under tension will result in misalignment and wear on the sides of the belt.

Tension drive pulley by watching idlers to pto pulley alignment and not the plate on the front of the mule. Another possible issue is that the plastic bushings in idler pulleys are shot! Check pulleys for "wiggle". Bob
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I'd look at pulley alignment on mule drive. As you apply tension to the belt, the pulley on the right (facing tractor) moves forward and the pulley on the left moves to the rear. With the correct JD belt, the tension indicator rod... if not bent... will show proper tension AND the belt will be coming straight down from the pto pulley to the idler pulleys. Over/under tension will result in misalignment and wear on the sides of the belt.

Tension drive pulley by watching idlers to pto pulley alignment and not the plate on the front of the mule. Another possible issue is that the plastic bushings in idler pulleys are shot! Check pulleys for "wiggle". Bob
Thanks for info
When you say idler pulleys you’re talking about pulleys on mule drive?
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I found the bushings on eBay, thanks again
I’ll also have to recheck what I’ve been using for belt size. It’s a non JD belt and I believe the length to be 90”
Yup, mule drive pulleys. JD shows an M82718 belt for the primary drive (engine to deck) belt. This specs out as 90.300" EFEECTIVE LENGTH (the outside length when installed). Some belts are spec'd at effective length and some are spec'd at length at pitch diameter. Bob
I found the bushings on eBay, thanks again
I’ll also have to recheck what I’ve been using for belt size. It’s a non JD belt and I believe the length to be 90”
An aftermarket belt is pretty much useless and disposable in that application.

I found aligning the pulleys only works with a brand new belt. You have to watch the belt spinning when you tension it, and stop tightening when it stop flopping around.
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Yup, mule drive pulleys. JD shows an M82718 belt for the primary drive (engine to deck) belt. This specs out as 90.300" EFEECTIVE LENGTH (the outside length when installed). Some belts are spec'd at effective length and some are spec'd at length at pitch diameter. Bob
Picked new JD belt today
Does shaft for RH tensioner idler pulley pivot easily IE has grease fitting been frequently greased?
shaft moves freely and has been recently greased. Too hot to head out to garage tonight and my sons has soccer practice anyhow. I’ll reassemble tomorrow and see how all looks
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All reassembled and using JD belt. All seemed to be in check….drive pulley on deck spins free and has no play. Both pulleys on mule spin free without play. I did notice faint smell of burning rubber, not sure this is typical as belt engages pulley once pto is activated or not
rydplrs…I tensioned belt as you suggested, belt did not loose all slop but did stable out a bit. Took a pic of where indicator rested after I found my sweet spot
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can I chalk this up to using non JD belts? Didn’t think this would make much of a difference.
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All reassembled and using JD belt. All seemed to be in check….drive pulley on deck spins free and has no play. Both pulleys on mule spin free without play. I did notice faint smell of burning rubber, not sure this is typical as belt engages pulley once pto is activated or not
rydplrs…I tensioned belt as you suggested, belt did not loose all slop but did stable out a bit. Took a pic of where indicator rested after I found my sweet spot
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can I chalk this up to using non JD belts? Didn’t think this would make much of a difference.
Check that your not hitting a belt guide on the slap, even reduced and check pulley temperature a couple times to see if one still cooks grease.

This is one of the applications I’ve found JD belts help, especially in hot weather.

I think the JD belts are designed for the twisting action and many others are not.

Gear drive tractor drive belts are all about the sidewall angle
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I'm not getting into a pizzin' contest about how to adjust belts, but I use my method in post #7 and get 7 years plus out of my belts.

Faint smell of burning rubber: What rpm are you engaging pto? The lower the better for both the pto clutch surfaces and the belt. Start & warm engine, go 1/4-1/3 throttle and engage pto. If engine stalls, increase rpm slightly until you find the lowest rpm that you can engage pto without engine stalling.

JD belts are different from off the shelf belts. JD uses a 36º or 37º (I forget which!) included angle on their belts and pulleys. A standard off the shelf belt is 40º. This means the off the shelf belt only contacts the pulley at one small point and not along the entire side of the belt. This point soon wears, the tension needs to be readjusted and the now larger point of contact still wears! Eventually, it may wear enough that your belt is only driving on the bottom surface! A second problem may occur with the length as I pointed out in post #10. If you have a 90.3" belt, is this on the outside, inside, or pitch diameter? It's the little things that make a difference as to a belt working or not working or working for an hour or working for several years. Dollar for dollar, an expensive JD belt is usually the best choice! Bob
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I'm not getting into a pizzin' contest about how to adjust belts, but I use my method in post #7 and get 7 years plus out of my belts.

Faint smell of burning rubber: What rpm are you engaging pto? The lower the better for both the pto clutch surfaces and the belt. Start & warm engine, go 1/4-1/3 throttle and engage pto. If engine stalls, increase rpm slightly until you find the lowest rpm that you can engage pto without engine stalling.

JD belts are different from off the shelf belts. JD uses a 36º or 37º (I forget which!) included angle on their belts and pulleys. A standard off the shelf belt is 40º. This means the off the shelf belt only contacts the pulley at one small point and not along the entire side of the belt. This point soon wears, the tension needs to be readjusted and the now larger point of contact still wears! Eventually, it may wear enough that your belt is only driving on the bottom surface! A second problem may occur with the length as I pointed out in post #10. If you have a 90.3" belt, is this on the outside, inside, or pitch diameter? It's the little things that make a difference as to a belt working or not working or working for an hour or working for several years. Dollar for dollar, an expensive JD belt is usually the best choice! Bob
If you look at his indicator it landed right at the hash mark for a new belt.

The pulleys may or may not be aligned, your the only person I know that uses that method. I have never tried it, so I can’t personally speak for it.

I only know adjusting by looking at the belt slap is something members on wfm came up with and it has worked well for me.

None of that makes your method wrong, but I can’t recommend something I never tried or compared to methods I have used.
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I engage pto at roughly half throttle

I appreciate all info and methods that work for you and will try to use both for a proper setup. I do not have a lot of mowing experience with the 318, so to find that sweet spot of ideal operation is prob just out of site until I go through the paces with this machine
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