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I am thinking of adding an occasional use diverter valve, so I could possibly add a hydraulic top link, maybe install a hydraulic deck lift, trailer dump, or possibly build a basic grapple "claw" for the bucket on my 1023e
Just looking to make something to use when I need an extra function. I do realize there'll be $75 bucks in couplers, elbows, adapters... and probably another 50 in wiring and buttons... so around $200 maybe $250

I was thinking I could make something that could plug right in the SCV ports by my foot, and maybe a trailer plug for power and a switch on the SCV stalk. Just in the idea stage right now.. Not a need, but a desire to tinker.

I don't want a dedicated "on the loader" diverter valve... as I have differing ideas that wont always be at the end of the loader arms.

Why might I not want to build something based on the dual selector valve that Surplus center is offering for 60 bucks?

The ports are #4... so smaller than the #6 stuff used on the hoses and hose connections.. but the implement flow is only 3.5gpm... So I don't think flow will be an issue.
  • Flow Rate 6.6 GPM
  • Pressure 2900 PSI max
  • Coil Voltage 12 VDC
  • Current 3 amps
  • Duty Intermittent
  • Connector Deutsch DT-04
  • Ports Six SAE 4
  • Mount Two M6 tapped holes in base
  • Size 6-1/4" x 2" x 2-5/8"
  • Shpg. 5 lbs.

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Thanks :)
I would like to divert an existing function (Bucket Curl) to use with occasional accessories while the loader or front blade is on the machine and in use.

I don't want to plumb it in permanently, I want to be able to remove it when I do not need it... so figure it can plug into the QC ports, and trailer plug or the like for power connection.

Making it removable would help if it is restrictive (specs show almost double the flow the 1023e has so maybe not)... as it would only be when another control is needed.
 

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I'm going to try to have it hang right off the existing female connectors...will use some elbows and the like to make it so that I can space the male connectors accordingly to fit into the front.... And then some more elbows to get the four female connectors pointing in a usable position....

I also looked at this...so it will give you an idea of what I am thinking.
(I'll plan a little more compact arrangement)
 

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I despise leaking anything...

Hosing the questions here is more of a "Is this device suitable for the pressure flow and durability we expect from these machines?" Type of question...

I'll make sure it's safe secure mounted well plumbed in a professional manner.... I was really kind of looking for somebody to say "tried it it's a piece of garbage" or "the flow isn't right" or "you'll have to worry about that load that's in your bucket falling on your head from dynamic pressures that might exceed that device capabilities".... Those kinds of things...
Is $60 valve sounds a little too good to be true... But if it has specs and will meet those specs... I might just give it a try
 

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Good info! Thanks. I do like the "snowplow style" stem valve/coil/block setups a lot, but I think I'll try this little guy.

Sometimes when I do this stuff.. I'm looking to see "if i can do it for less"... just for the sake of having an affordable solution to a small need, but, it also has to be safe with great usability. I do not "need" this ... I just want to build something. I think I'll head towards the hydraulic top link first, as I do use my rake a lot, and find myself spinning the top link to adjust a lot.

I think I'm going to go ahead with this. I also think, instead of having it mount on the SCV ports... I may mount it to my loader frame as Pedals2Paddles suggested and to avoid stress on the couplers as Kennyd points out. I just need to keep it in reach of my loader hoses. The SCV ports are kinda close to the loader frame to try and fit this in that gap anyway.

This is when I wish I still worked at NAPA... it was nice to have the hose press and cabinet full of fittings right there to see what would work then build what I wanted (I also miss the free machine work and "parts at cost" thing...)

I'll keep posting as I move forward.
Hopefully my tractor comes back from the warranty adventure soon so I can start measuring.
 

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I looked at this too..


...thinking I might just add it as a 3rd function valve... but it doesn't separate PB and Tank ports, and its "on/off" (no way to "feather it") so think I'm gonna go with the diverter plan.
But...
I could probably get away with it in line before the return(that feeds the 3 point) , as the tank port is good to 3045psi.
I would have to use a flow restricter it to slow it for things like top links and trailer dumps.

Decisions decisions....
 

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Side question...My first use for this project will be a Hydraulic top link..

Do I want one with a pilot operated check valve? like this:

OR one without, like this:

I get "what it is" ... just wondering if I need the safety and position retention, as opposed to maybe saving a little real estate back there... the cost difference is negligible, and all of my implements are light (<650lbs)
 

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I don't have the float option unless I use the lift lower circuit... I wasn't planning on that, but... why eliminate a capability? hmmm... thinkin' I need the room back there, and I might want to float (could always use a chain I guess...)
I could also use this cylinder for other things..and that valve might get in the way.
Thanks Kennyd.. I think we will go "no check..."
 

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Great info!!! Thank you
 

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SO.. I just edited the thread title ... because I was headed for "off topic".
My new goal is an inexpensive diverter AND a hydraulic top link setup

Now I am looking at a 1.5" cylinder with ball ends.
The top links I've seen are all 2", so I have some concerns.. But..

I've done the math.. and think I the numbers for the 1.5" cylinder look good.
I like the idea of a more compact setup as well
"The Math"
My 1023e can lift 671lbs, 24" behind the links..
I believe most category 1 implements "mast height" is 19" (mine are all 18 or 19)
With that figure, and the max lift weight, at a 24:19 ratio I need 860lbs of top link pull force to HOLD 671lbs at position, 24" behind the lower links.

With 2150psi available, and a 1.5" cylinder with a 1" shaft, I'll have 2111lbs available to retract the top link.. or "tip" the implement up/forward and 3799, to extend.. or tip the implement back/down.
Works out to 1671lbs of force available to tilt forward/lift, the load 24" back.. or 1000lbs above.. or 2.5x the force needed for just holding up the max lift capacity of the 1 series.

That should be enough to control and hold the position of 3 point stuff on the 1 series... and way over what I need for the implements I own or plan to own.

A 2" cylinder with a 1.25" shaft (the standard category 1 top link..) almost doubles the numbers of the 1.5", at 4116 pull and 6754 push.. which would equal 3258lbs 24" back.. or almost 5x the capacity.
It's not "too much".. but it think it overkill for this small machine.

Still thinkin.. didnt act yet... but as soon as I get my machine back... I'm measuring for hose length and clickin' the order button.
 

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Look what came today!!
42$ so far... Need switch...
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(It's a 3r series handle)
 

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Momentary or on off switch for the selector?? Hmmm
 

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So... my top link, from pin center to pin center is 19.5" collapsed, and 28.5" extended til the little grooves show.
(for the sale of argument, its a 9" stroke)

The two cylinder options I am considering are:
17.25" retracted, 27.5" extended (10" stroke)
or
19.25" retracted, 31.25" extended (12" stroke)

Do I want to be able to tip further up/forward (2.25" shorter)? Or.. start out 1/4" shorter than OEM and be able to extend 2.75" further?
I am leaning towards the latter.

I am also planning on building some kind of bucket mounted grapple...and will use this cylinder as an "all purpose" unit for things like this when its not in the top link role...
 

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I ordered stuff today. This is not a 60$ project by any means... but its also not a $1000 one...
Below is what I have invested so far (and some part numbers), to have an electric selector(diverter) valve, a nice grip from a 3r (Which I will put a switch in) a 1.5"x12" cylinder to use as my top link, and all the electrical connectors, switch, wire, hoses, QDs and fittings I believe I will need.
My plan is to not permanently affix the hoses... So I can route them to the rear for hydraulic top link work, and to the front for , well.. whatever I build for up there :) (I am thinking a grabber thing for the bucket..like a grapple

I'm going to need to do some wiring, and figure out how to mount the valve to the loader uprights...the rest should be pretty "Lego"

Surplus Center9-123906.6 GPM 12 Volt DC Double Selector Valve DFE080
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$59.95​
$59.95​
Surplus Center9-6900-4-4SAE 4 Male x 1/4" NPT Female Swivel Straight 6900-04-04 Adapter
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$2.50​
$5.00​
Surplus Center9-6806-4-4SAE 4 Male x 1/4" NPT Male 90 Degree Elbow 6806-04-04 Adapter
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$2.80​
$11.20​
Surplus Center9-1501-4-41/4" NPT Male x 1/4" NPT Female Swivel 90 Degree Elbow 1501-04-04 Adapter
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$2.85​
$22.80​
Surplus Center9-12496-81.25" I.D. Nylon Hose Sleeve for 1/2" Hydraulic Hose NHS-125
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$1.05​
$8.40​
Surplus Center916-14841/4" x 84" 1/4 NPTM x 1/4 NPTM SAE 100R17 Hydraulic Hose Assembly 3000 PSI
2​
$15.55​
$31.10​
Surplus Center916-14181/4" x 18" 1/4 NPTM x 1/4 NPTM SAE 100R17 Hydraulic Hose Assembly 3000 PSI
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$5.75​
$11.50​
Surplus Center9-12229-121.5x12x1 DA Hydraulic Cylinder Wolverine WWSB1512-S
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$122.65​
$122.65​
Surplus Center9-59241/4" NPT Quick Coupler Tip Safeway S41-2
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$4.75​
$9.50​
Surplus Center9-6806-6-4SAE 6 Male x 1/4" NPT Male 90 Degree Elbow 6806-06-04 Adapter
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$2.70​
$5.40​
Surplus CenterShipping
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$25.35​
$25.35​
Surplus CenterTax
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$29.43​
$29.43​
Deere21H1486Screw
2​
$0.64​
$1.28​
Deere37M7355Screw
2​
$0.52​
$1.04​
Deere37M7356Screw
1​
$0.69​
$0.69​
DeereLVA12162Locknut
2​
$0.39​
$0.78​
DeereLVU16651Grip
1​
$16.54​
$16.54​
DeereLVU16701Grip
1​
$20.64​
$20.64​
DeereTax
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$6.43​
$6.43​
AmazonDJ3021Y-1.6-11/215 Sets 2 Pin DT04-2P/DT06-2S Automobile Waterproof Connector 22-16AWG
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$9.09​
$9.09​
AmazonDJ3021Y-1.6-11/22Tax
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$0.73​
$0.73​
Amazon1/4” Ag ISO 5675Hydraulic Quick Connect Pioneer Style Couplers, 1/4” NPT Thread, 2 Sets
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$34.95​
$69.90​
Amazon1/4” Ag ISO 5676Tax
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$5.60​
$5.60​
AmazonSwitchJtron Momentary Push Button Switches Off-(ON) Waterproof Rubber Casing
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$9.99​
$9.99​
AmazonTax
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$0.80​
$0.80​
AmazonHarnessNilight LED Light Bar Wiring Harness Kit
1​
$7.10​
$7.10​
AmazonTax
1​
$0.57​
$0.57​
TOTAL
$493.46​
 

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Discussion Starter · #26 · (Edited)
Handle now has button installed.
The Deere Plastic castings were not matched very well... so I got the dremel out and cleaned them up, sanded them to be smooth, then buffed them with a little carb cleaner (melts plastic) to smooth and hide the sanding marks...
I'm really happy with the look and feel...
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Handle Is Mounted!!!
Now I wait for the big stuff to come !!

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Here's the switch I used:
(Amazon 10$)
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I LOVE the Cheetos!! Crunchy!! Only way to go... and yes.. that is a PBR in that COOLY!!!
Life is great !!!
 

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I'm kinda excited about it.
I have to redo my driveway next week or the week after... have 11 yards of material (maybe 22..) coming to put down, and its going to be really nice not to have to keep reaching back to adjust the top link.
Surplus Center and Amazon stuff gets here tomorrow :)
 

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Ok... so... they eye on the cylinder is too close to the cylinder, the cylinder is too wide and the top link ears too close together.
It wont be able to swivel at all at the tractor end...it is soooo close...
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There's no way I'm grinding on the top link mount, and it would not help a lot anyway...
I do really like this small cylinder, and it would be a small fortune in return shipping anyway... So, have purchased new cat 1, 3point swivels(clearance at TSC 0.99 each...) and will cut down the old swivel, and weld a new one on.
(only need 3/4 inch...)

And... I'm a DipS#!t... SAE Elbows... cant screw the second one in the valve, after the first one is in there. The holes too close together, and the ORB end is not a swivel... I know better than this... I just wasn't thinking)

So.. more fittings comin' too!
 
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