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I have a Cub Cadet 129 (one of the old ones made by IH) that recently broke a rod. I've been considering several options...fix the Cub, buy another used Cub, or buy a new tractor. For new, I've narrowed it down to either a Kubota GR, or the JD 570. I've talked to several people who have done reviews on them on youtube...some good and bad comments. My needs are to mow approx. 1.5 acres (mostly level but some uneven, rougher sections in a more wooded area) and also for plowing snow out of my driveway (not that long but gets very drifted at times). Would the 570 be a good fit for replacing the Cub, which has lasted me for 37 years!

Thanks for any suggestions...
 

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The X570 is basically a rebadged X500 which has been a very reliable garden tractor.
 

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I previously owned a x570 and was pleased with it. The excel deck mows well and the tractor has plenty of power. It’s a no frills type mower. No hyd lift and no power steering, the locking diff is very nice though. If you can live without hyd lift and power steering def consider it.


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The x570 should be a good fit for your plans. If you can swing it, the x590 with the EFI for cold weather and plowing seems to be a very popular choice. The cold starting and running with the choke-less EFI engine is much easier and more fuel efficient than the carbureted engine.

The power steering is also a really nice thing to have. I had no idea what I was missing until I started mowing with power steering. It makes the seat time in the tractor much more enjoyable.
 

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The x570 should be a good fit for your plans. If you can swing it, the x590 with the EFI for cold weather and plowing seems to be a very popular choice. The cold starting and running with the choke-less EFI engine is much easier and more fuel efficient than the carbureted engine.

The power steering is also a really nice thing to have. I had no idea what I was missing until I started mowing with power steering. It makes the seat time in the tractor much more enjoyable.
You would think so but honestly I've read more posts on here about folks with the X590 having cold (and some warm) starting problems than I ever have about the models with a carb engine. Granted we usually only read about problems on these forums but I was quite surprised on the number of X590's with hard starting issues.
 

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That's fair I suppose any type of gasoline delivery system is going to have issues the way lawn equipment is used and with the quality of the gasoline that goes thru them.

So far I'm loving the EFI start on my new 738, its very nice to just sit down turn the key and go with no other things to adjust or having a stall from un-choking it too soon. Granted its only 7 hrs old so my opinion is a little biased at the moment. Also with the weather in the northeast lately I haven't exactly done a cold start.

Being on forums does tend to give you a hypersensitivity to issues but that's not a bad thing sometimes. The tractors arriving to peoples homes low a quart or two of hydraulic fluid seems to be one of those issues much more common than expected.
 

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So far I'm loving the EFI start on my new 738, its very nice to just sit down turn the key and go with no other things to adjust or having a stall from un-choking it too soon. Granted its only 7 hrs old so my opinion is a little biased at the moment. Also with the weather in the northeast lately I haven't exactly done a cold start.
I don't recall reading many EFI-related starting issues with any of the 700-series engines. But surprisingly there have been quite a few with the X590. One of the more recent ones mentioned notifying the dealer and being told to wait until it got worse. I mean, likely one of the main reasons someone is likely to drop nearly $8000 on an EFI-engine lawn mower is for the ease of starting. Why else? Although quite frankly even that is a stretch. I've been using carb-based lawn mowers for over 50 years and never had an issue with choking to start the engine.

I can foresee that in the not too distant future most if not all small engines will have some form of EFI. At least the ones that are still around because not long after that I suspect the majority of lawn equipment will be battery powered just like cars.
 

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I don't recall reading many EFI-related starting issues with any of the 700-series engines. But surprisingly there have been quite a few with the X590. One of the more recent ones mentioned notifying the dealer and being told to wait until it got worse. I mean, likely one of the main reasons someone is likely to drop nearly $8000 on an EFI-engine lawn mower is for the ease of starting. Why else? Although quite frankly even that is a stretch. I've been using carb-based lawn mowers for over 50 years and never had an issue with choking to start the engine.

I can foresee that in the not too distant future most if not all small engines will have some form of EFI. At least the ones that are still around because not long after that I suspect the majority of lawn equipment will be battery powered just like cars.
I've ventured into some battery power lawn equipment already and much like the woodworking tools there are some surprisingly powerful battery operated tools out there. I've got a 20v dewalt leaf blower and a 56v Ego hedge trimmer and chainsaw. None of them will replace my gas powered stuff completely yet, but they sure are convenient and capable for quick jobs.

As for the thread OP and getting the 570 it's still a pretty good machine to fit his needs. I would very much miss the power steering that I will never by a tractor without again. Not that I really see myself replacing the 738 anytime soon.
 

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I've ventured into some battery power lawn equipment already and much like the woodworking tools there are some surprisingly powerful battery operated tools out there. I've got a 20v dewalt leaf blower and a 56v Ego hedge trimmer and chainsaw. None of them will replace my gas powered stuff completely yet, but they sure are convenient and capable for quick jobs.
Same here. The only gas machine anymore I have is an Echo leaf blower. Everything else is battery of one type or another. There is no denying electric will replace all gas at some point, the writing is on the wall.

As for the thread OP and getting the 570 it's still a pretty good machine to fit his needs. I would very much miss the power steering that I will never by a tractor without again. Not that I really see myself replacing the 738 anytime soon.
I have a base X500 which is the same engine/transaxle as the X570. It's a good reliable combination. I don't miss the power steering at all. My 2720 has it so I know what it's like but I just don't see a need for it on the lawn mower. Now if there are plans for a blade or snow blower then yes, power steering will help. Same with hydraulic lift. I use my lift pedal when mowing over roots and such but I sure wouldn't want to be lifting a snow blower over and over while clearing the driveway.
 

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Thanks for all the advice. I watched a review of the 570 on youtube, and that guy said the deck is a bit hard (and heavy) to take off. Any thoughts on that? Compared to my old Cub, I guess I'm just not used to seeing several idler pulleys, etc. The deck on the Cub is pretty basic and unhooks at two places that attach to the mule drive. Another complaint from the video is the rack and pinion steering - the reviewer just felt that it's a bit of a flimsy design. I've never owned a JD, and so have no idea about any of this.

Regarding the lack of power steering, etc. I really don't think it's something I need (since I haven't had it for 37 years!)
 

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Thanks for all the advice. I watched a review of the 570 on youtube, and that guy said the deck is a bit hard (and heavy) to take off. Any thoughts on that? Compared to my old Cub, I guess I'm just not used to seeing several idler pulleys, etc. The deck on the Cub is pretty basic and unhooks at two places that attach to the mule drive.
I agree. While the deck on my X500 is of a slightly different design spindle wise, the way it attaches to the tractor is identical to the X570. Prior to purchasing the tractor I thought the deck would be a breeze to remove. Lower the anti-scalp wheels, turn them 90-degrees, flip the belt tension release lever, detach the front attachment arm, disengage the two J-hooks on the lift arms and roll the deck out from under the tractor. On paper it looks and sounds so easy but it has turned out to be a real PITA.

The main sticking point is the J-hooks. They are a royal pain to disengage and reengage. The only way I have been able to get them released is to use a hook tool. It's like you can't get the spring to compress enough to get the ends to pass over the deck notches. I had visions of taking my deck off every fall to give it a good cleaning but in the 5 years I've had my X500 I've only taken the deck off twice. Once to install the mulch lit and once to clean it. I'm not in any hurry to remove it again any time soon. But.... it hasn't been a huge problem for me as I bought a Mo-Jack tractor jack so I can easily access the underside of the deck for cleaning and blade exchange/sharpening without removing the deck.

Another complaint from the video is the rack and pinion steering - the reviewer just felt that it's a bit of a flimsy design. I've never owned a JD, and so have no idea about any of this.
I don't see anything about the rack and pinion steering design that is flimsy or any different from most tractors. The sector gear is fairly thick metal and it has a large pinion gear. With reasonable maintenance it should last the life of the tractor.
 

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Once you remove the deck a few times you will be a pro. The J hooks sometimes hang up because the deck needs shifted one way or another. There is a square hole for a socket wrench on one of the pulleys that releases tension on the deck belt. I then take the front draft rod off, then the J hooks. Before you pull the deck, jacking up the front end will save you from hanging up on the tires, they like to get hung up on everything under there. We get alot of deck swaps on X570/X590 where they want a 48" instead of a 54", 30 min job is faster than ordering one.
 

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The x570 should be a good fit for your plans. If you can swing it, the x590 with the EFI for cold weather and plowing seems to be a very popular choice. The cold starting and running with the choke-less EFI engine is much easier and more fuel efficient than the carbureted engine.

The power steering is also a really nice thing to have. I had no idea what I was missing until I started mowing with power steering. It makes the seat time in the tractor much more enjoyable.
Thanks....I've been reviewing these tractors again and am now leaning more towards the 590. I definitely get involved in significant snow plowing here, so I can see where the EFI could be an advantage. I do like the 570 for the 16-inch turning radius as compared to the 590's 22-inch. No idea what the radius is on my old Cub but probably not even close to 22.

Any thoughts on how the mulching feature works? With my old deck not even having any baffles any longer (all worn to nothing), I wind up raking up piles on a good portion of my lawn.

Another question that comes to mind is.....how easy/difficult is it to attach whatever subframe/assy is necessary to attach a plow? I assume that with the 590 the plow would be operated hydraulically?
 

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Once you remove the deck a few times you will be a pro. The J hooks sometimes hang up because the deck needs shifted one way or another. There is a square hole for a socket wrench on one of the pulleys that releases tension on the deck belt. I then take the front draft rod off, then the J hooks. Before you pull the deck, jacking up the front end will save you from hanging up on the tires, they like to get hung up on everything under there. We get alot of deck swaps on X570/X590 where they want a 48" instead of a 54", 30 min job is faster than ordering one.
Thanks Jeff....I really think I'd prefer to stay with a 48" deck. Just talked to the dealer where I will likely be buying one and he said the 590 can be ordered with either 48 or 54. Having wrenched on this old Cub for 37 years, I'm sure I'd be able to handle the deck attach/detach procedure.
 

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I agree. While the deck on my X500 is of a slightly different design spindle wise, the way it attaches to the tractor is identical to the X570. Prior to purchasing the tractor I thought the deck would be a breeze to remove. Lower the anti-scalp wheels, turn them 90-degrees, flip the belt tension release lever, detach the front attachment arm, disengage the two J-hooks on the lift arms and roll the deck out from under the tractor. On paper it looks and sounds so easy but it has turned out to be a real PITA.

The main sticking point is the J-hooks. They are a royal pain to disengage and reengage. The only way I have been able to get them released is to use a hook tool. It's like you can't get the spring to compress enough to get the ends to pass over the deck notches. I had visions of taking my deck off every fall to give it a good cleaning but in the 5 years I've had my X500 I've only taken the deck off twice. Once to install the mulch lit and once to clean it. I'm not in any hurry to remove it again any time soon. But.... it hasn't been a huge problem for me as I bought a Mo-Jack tractor jack so I can easily access the underside of the deck for cleaning and blade exchange/sharpening without removing the deck.



I don't see anything about the rack and pinion steering design that is flimsy or any different from most tractors. The sector gear is fairly thick metal and it has a large pinion gear. With reasonable maintenance it should last the life of the tractor.
J....this is not encouraging. So now I've heard 2 different opinions on the deck removal/reattachment. I always take my deck off every fall, then in spring take off the blades, sharpen them, along with cleaning up all the spindle parts that are associated with blade removal.
 

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The front blade for the x590 is manual lift / angle. You can buy the optional electric lift kit for the front blade. The x700 series offers hydro lift and angle for front attachments. On either tractor the front blade is a "quick" attachment it should be a relatively easy on and off.

My mower deck has the permanent mulch kit installed I didn't opt for the kit that has the option to turn the mulching on and off. I always mulch my lawn all the time that's just how I roll. That includes the leaves in the fall which my yard doesn't have too many of. Not that you will have the same deck as mine but the 54HC deck mulches just as well as my Honda push mower. No clumps or piles of grass even in thick wet grass.

I can't speak to taking the deck off of the x500's I've never done it or seen it done. On my 738 I can take the mower deck off in less than 1 minute and it requires zero tools. Putting it back on is just as quick. Drive over mower decks are a thing of beauty.
 

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Wait...you drive over the deck? Never heard of this....sounds great! How does it work that you don't need any tools for detaching/re-attaching?
 

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Its as the name suggests you lower the deck to the ground. Disconnect a couple of levers and in my case reverse the tractor backing the front wheels over the deck and drive away. I have the auto connect option on my deck so the PTO shaft that powers the blades automatically disconnects from the deck as you drive away.

To put the deck back on I simply drive the front wheels over the deck and re-connect the lift arms and make sure the drive shaft coupling is aligned before driving forward to finish the connection.

The whole thing takes about 1-2 minutes taking it off or putting it on. Once the deck is off I lower the anti-scalp wheels and roll it out the way in the shed.

Its actually harder and more complicated to attach my box blade to my 3PH.
 

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I didn't realize until I test-drove the 590 today that you have to press a button (while mowing) whenever you want to go in reverse. Otherwise the mower disengages. (I don't think the engine stops..just the blades). I understand the value of this as a safety feature, but what a nuisance. This just may make the difference between buying a Deere and some other brand. The dealer tells me that this reverse switch is consistent across the industry, but that does not seem to be the case.
 
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