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New GTT member here, been hanging around other JD forums but figured it was time to branch out. Last week I purchased a new 1025r with the H120 loader and a 54” driver over deck. I also own an older x520 and I bought the 3 bag system for it but now that I own the 1025r I really have not much need to keep the x520. I’m toying with the idea of selling it next spring and that will give me some implement funds. I’m going to try to go through my local dealer and buy the parts to adapt my current Bagger to fit the new tractor, I will still also have to buy a new chute and power flow head also. Does anyone currently run the power flow on their SCUT or some other collection system? Pros and cons?


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There are lots of options out there and no perfect solution for everyone. I have mentioned it on this forum before but it was about two years ago that I was looking at replacing my X585 and was looking at the 1 series but at the time all they had was the 3 bag system. For me that doesn't make any sense. I have the cart system on the X585 and I dump all my leaves and what clippings I get into a big compost pile. I use my FEL to turn the leaves until they are dirt and I use that around the property. Why would I want to get off the machine and manually dump 3 bags. If I didn't have enough property to support a compost pile and I had to bag my leaves to haul them to a collection location or have the city/waste company come by and collect the bags, then sure a 3 bag system is a good idea. For me it is terrible and would be a big step backwards. Not saying one way is better than the other but a big question you have to answer is, what do you do with the clippings/leaves? Because at the time the 3 bag collection was the only option for the 1 series, I didn't go that route. I kept the X585 for FEL work and snow removal. I then bought a Z950R with MCS which includes a dump from seat hopper. This improved my efficiency a lot. I now don't have to get off the machine to dump plus it cuts grass better and faster than the X585. I leave the FEL on through late fall when I am done with leaves and then put on the blade for plowing. Sure there were 3rd party options but for me I wanted to buy everything JD mainly because I could roll it all into 0% for 60mo.

If I were doing the process today it would be a harder decision. I say this because the last time I stopped out to the dealer I saw that JD partnered with a company that makes a dump from seat system for the 1 series. Where it was a pretty easy decision before, I would really have to weigh my options and crunch the numbers to see what way I would go. Again the hopper is a much better way of doing this for me, if you have to dispose of your waste in a way that involves transporting it offsite a 3 bag system is probably better. I guess it might take up less storage when not in use as well. I have plenty of buildings on property so that isn't an issue either.

Whatever you go with here are some things I would consider. You said you are looking at getting some other implements. Are any of them 3pt hitch implements? Do you have an iMatch or other quick hitch for the 3pt arms? If not I highly recommend getting one. If you go iMatch or the cheap Harbor Freight one it doesn't matter, get one if you don't have one. If you have to modify your 3 bags, do it in a way to fit the iMatch or whatever quick hitch system you use. It will save you a lot of frustration and time when it comes to switching back and forth. Those tubes that you get from the powerflow to the collection hopper/bags normally need to be cut down. That is why I say go quick hitch now or you will have to buy a new one later if you go that route. They won't grow if you soak them in water.

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I run the John Deere three bag MCS on my 1025r. Really like it. However I use an adapter to mount the bagger on the Imatch. Just back tractor up and pick the bagger off the cart. I use the Jamison Bryce setup. There is a new MCS20 clamshell bagger for the 1025r that I have been eyeballing. No bags, electric dump, Imatch compatibility, built in stands. Might upgrade to it in the future. The power flow works good for me and eliminates the need for another engine. You will most likely need to purchase a new power flow as the one from the x520 won’t work on 1 series deck. Chute length might be too short as well. I like the bagger sitting on the 3pt. Makes it more compact and easier to navigate through areas versus towing a DR trailer or Cyclone rake. Those do have their advantages in the form of enormous capacity however.


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If I were doing the process today it would be a harder decision. I say this because the last time I stopped out to the dealer I saw that JD partnered with a company that makes a dump from seat system for the 1 series. Where it was a pretty easy decision before, I would really have to weigh my options and crunch the numbers to see what way I would go. Again the hopper is a much better way of doing this for me, if you have to dispose of your waste in a way that involves transporting it offsite a 3 bag system is probably better.
I agree, the dump from your seat MCS is great if you can drive into the "woods" behind your house and it's far enough away that you won't smell rotting grass all summer. At my current house, the dump from your seat MCS doesn't make sense since I have to move the waste offsite, so I have a 3 bag MCS which works great. The 3 bag MCS fills up quickly with the 60D as it can move/produce a lot of grass clippings. However, if you use a dump MCS and you pile it on your driveway, you can always use the loader to put it in a trailer or pickup truck to haul away. :)
 

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I agree, the dump from your seat MCS is great if you can drive into the "woods" behind your house and it's far enough away that you won't smell rotting grass all summer. At my current house, the dump from your seat MCS doesn't make sense since I have to move the waste offsite, so I have a 3 bag MCS which works great. The 3 bag MCS fills up quickly with the 60D as it can move/produce a lot of grass clippings. However, if you use a dump MCS and you pile it on your driveway, you can always use the loader to put it in a trailer or pickup truck to haul away. :)
I do both. Dump it my garden as well as dump it on my trailer to haul it to yard waste sight. Problem is that I can fill the trailer three times with one mowing. I would love to have one of the old hydraulic dump baggers that were used on the older model garden tractors.


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I do both. Dump it my garden as well as dump it on my trailer to haul it to yard waste sight. Problem is that I can fill the trailer three times with one mowing. I would love to have one of the old hydraulic dump baggers that were used on the older model garden tractors.


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Yes, the hydraulic dump baggers are great, but getting harder to find and even harder to find in good shape. I had a line on one a few years ago, but didn't have the storage room for it and I wasn't going to pay $2K for a near mint MCS and have it sit outside.

I've avoided dumping anything from the lawn into the garden since I haven't made the effort to go 100% organic for lawn treatments.
 

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I have a cyclone rake and couldn’t be happier. Cheaper than the Deere 3 bagger and better in my opinion

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I have the MCS20. I purchased it mid-summer and the dealer stored it for me. I just picked it up about an hour ago. It is still sitting on the pallet on the trailer. I'll be installing it in the next week or so, so I can report back then. I paid $3098.52, including tax, for everything.

Here is a link to the video the dealer had made of the MCS20:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKk-SE4M79U
 

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Love my bagger and the power flow BUT it is a pain to empty and the powerflow on my 60 inch deck sticks out pretty far.

it works great and I would not have a problem suggesting getting it but I would be tempted to try the mulching kit and see how it does. I have read many posts on the kit and people love them.

just my 2 cents
 
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I utilized the MCS20 for the first time last week. It worked well. Before I acquired the 1025R, I performed leaf clean up with a 455, 60" deck, power flow, and MC519 cart. There wasn't any real appreciable difference between the two in either how well they picked up leaves (quite good for both) and capacity. As the MCS20 doesn't stick out nearly as far and is suspended on the 3-point, maneuverability is better and backing up to dump much easier, especially over uneven ground. As was the case with the MC519, so it was with the MCS20, at the point I realized the hopper was full, the chute was plugged. So it is not quite the dump from the seat as they tout, as the chute needs to be cleared. Clearing the chute is simpler and quicker on the MCS20.

Also, with the MCS20 hopper suspended on the 3-point, I could backup on to the leaf pile and dump, allowing the pile to become higher rather than larger in ground foot print.

Another member utilizing a brand X leaf collection system reported trouble with deck "blow out" on his 54D deck. The only time I had an issue with deck blow out is when the hopper was full and the chute became plugged. The blow out became my indication of when the hopper required emptying.

The MCS20 factory wiring came with a 30 amp fuse, which I deemed a bit too large as the wiring is 16 gauge and the switch is rated for 20 amps. I moved it down to a 10 amp breaker, which I tripped when the hopper hatch was in the leaf pile somewhat and had to push leaves away. I'm going to go with a 15 amp self re-setting breaker. I believe this will be adequate and provide the correct level of protection. If it should trip, the self re-setting feature will negate my having to open things ups to access the breaker.
 
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I picked up the MCS14 for my new 1025r with a 60" deck. I get a lot of leaves that I try to keep up with. I debated the pull behind leaf vac systems from DR Equipment or Cyclone, but ended up opting for the JD bagger system. My main reason was for maneuverability. My lot has a lot of trees and slope. The pull behind wouldn't need dumping as often, but would be difficult to get around my wooded area. I do have to empty the bags often, but I suppose a little exercise getting off and on the tractor isn't such a bad thing. I also opted for the Jamison Bryce setup for the bagger unit.

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I have one of the older JD Hydraulic Dump MCS units - it had been sitting for a while and needed some repairs but I couldn't be happier with it. They become become available from time to time. The last one I saw was $1500 which seemed a little high given what I paid for mine - I have about $1000 in mine including minor repairs to the engine, rebuilding the hydraulic cylinders, changing to imatch compatible, purchasing a new hose and boot to fit my MMM and changing the hydraulic connectors to fit my tractor. If you follow this route, you'll have have to made a few small modifications if you want to use it with a quick hitch. There's a few threads about these units.

I have mixed feeling about a separate engine vs. the power flow unit on the deck. I suppose each have their advantages. If you have doubts about older engines, mine is 21 years old; after a new air filter, a new fuel filter, a new spark plug, an oil change and a good carb cleaning, it will start on the first or second pull and has plenty of power.

The one down size is it is tall - hard to see over from the seat of the tractor.

Patience is the key to finding a good used unit.
 

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I have one of the older JD Hydraulic Dump MCS units - it had been sitting for a while and needed some repairs but I couldn't be happier with it. They become become available from time to time. The last one I saw was $1500 which seemed a little high given what I paid for mine - I have about $1000 in mine including minor repairs to the engine, rebuilding the hydraulic cylinders, changing to imatch compatible, purchasing a new hose and boot to fit my MMM and changing the hydraulic connectors to fit my tractor. If you follow this route, you'll have have to made a few small modifications if you want to use it with a quick hitch. There's a few threads about these units.

I have mixed feeling about a separate engine vs. the power flow unit on the deck. I suppose each have their advantages. If you have doubts about older engines, mine is 21 years old; after a new air filter, a new fuel filter, a new spark plug, an oil change and a good carb cleaning, it will start on the first or second pull and has plenty of power.

The one down size is it is tall - hard to see over from the seat of the tractor.

Patience is the key to finding a good used unit.
Personally I like PowerFlow heads but you are right there are pros and cons. For instance he residential PowerFlow units like I have for my X585 have a plastic housing which will wear through and is a few hundred to repair and a bit of a PITA. The commercial PowerFlow on my Z950R has mainly a steel construction other than the deflector but it is really heavy because of that and because the impeller is horizontal vs vertical on the home units, it adds a lot to the width of the machine. This might be an issue if you are in tighter areas between trees.

My dad has a pony engine style. It seemed to clog up more though he recently got a new version with a larger hose. I think 12" vs the old one was 6" or 8". As for the engine. He has had issues as well over the years but you can pick up cheap engines from Harbor Freight. I think you can get a 5-7HP engine on sale for about $100 which will run these just fine. He has been running them for a few years. Once they start crapping out, for $100 it isn't worth trying to mess with them. Just pull the engine and slap in a new one.

Another benefit to the pony engine is you have options to disconnect the intake hose and pick up piles of leaves or clean out shrubs. I don't do much of that as I use my back pack blower to push the leaves and stuff out onto the yard.
 

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I have been very happy with the three bag bagger from JD. I would like to switch to the iMatch frame to name it a little easier to remove.
 

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Hello STG 454!

I have a couple brackets left from last season and one combo if you are looking at getting into an I-Match compatible system before spring cleanup! Let me know if your interested!

Thanks,

Randy
 

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My biggest cut is 3/4 acre with my 54" deck. I keep the chute pointed to the inside at all times and I eventually get a 30 foot windrow. I used to just run it over a couple more times but now I put the loader and bucket back on and rake it all into the bucket. Then I dump it in the compost pile! Maybe 10 minutes to get the loader attached and run out to the yard, and maybe another 10 minutes of raking.

Maybe try my way? Dump the clippings on the fenceline!
 
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Hello STG 454!

I have a couple brackets left from last season and one combo if you are looking at getting into an I-Match compatible system before spring cleanup! Let me know if your interested!

Thanks,

Randy
I'm definitely interested in getting some more information. What is the difference between the brackets and combo?
 

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The bracket allows you to connect the Hopper to the I-Match. The Combo comes with the bracket and also a storage cart to just drop the whole assembly in from the I-Match. No more lifting and you move it easily for storage.

 
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