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I can’t do the levers.

With that said I went from my 1976 wheel horse to my JD F525. Cut my mowing time in half. While not a true zero turn I can go around a 6” tree and not have to trim.



If a F935 with a 60” deck presented itself to me I’d have a hard time saying no.
 

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Me and my wife discussed it, I'll likely end up with a stander (a form of a ZT, I guess), and my CUT. Currently we run a Mastercraft (think MTD) 38" mower that simply refuses to die, but cuts rather poorly (I stepped on the deck by accident and bent something:hide:).
 

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I went from a JD lawn tractor to a JD zero turn. My wife was a little "afraid" of the ZTR, but picked up the levers quickly, and is now an "expert mower." She did not like the tractor, but loves the ZTR.

In my experience, the ZTR is quicker and more maneuverable. Since were at the place in life where mowing is a chore, not a choice, getting the task done and over with is easier with the ZTR.
 

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I went from mowing with a 1025 with a 60" deck to a ZTR with a 60" deck and literally cut my mowing time in half. Never looked back. The levers are like second nature now. I get so much closer to everything I hardly touch my push mower now. There is no comparison, a dedicated ZTR for cutting grass is the ticket. I ended up getting a Gravely ZTR with a Kawasaki engine and it's been great.
 

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What about hilly terrain?

I use our 4wd tractor to cut on hills (and for that matter everything else). How do the ZTR fair on hills where you would need 4wd typically to get up (and down safely)
 

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I went from 2305 with a 62" deck to a Country Clipper with a 52" deck and cut my mowing time by 25%. From 4.5 hours to 3.5 hours.

If you "Don't like levers", look at a Country Clipper. One single joystick, very intuitive after about 30 minutes. Everyone I know that has run one will not go to anything different. The other favorite part is that the deck stands straight up to maintain the blades, by hand on my model and with power assist on bigger machines.
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I'm considering the switch from my x758 to a zero turn. If you've ever done that or contemplated it I'd be interested in your insights and opinions.

I created a detailed thread in the zero turn forum.

https://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/ztrs-commercial-turf-equipment/174330-trying-zero-turn-weekend-what-know.html#post3057456

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Went from a 455 Diesel tractor with a 60" deck (very comparable to the x758 in size, weight, power, etc,.) to an ExMark Lazer zero turn with the 60" deck. Incredible difference. The zero turn blade speed is unparalleled and does a great job cutting. The ground speed is better on the zero turn, the maneuverability of the zero turn is light years better. In fact, the ONLY downside to the zero turn is that it's a single purpose machine., but it sure is great at that single purpose. (Think Steve Martin's "Special Purpose" in "The Jerk"...:laugh::lol:)

If you make this change, consider only true professional grade zero turn machines. That means spending $10k or more for a zero turn, but OH WOW what a difference. The professional grade machines are made to mow extremely efficiently and to make a living. They are over built. For example, my ExMark Lazer Z has a 5 year, 1,500 hour warranty on the machine with no hour limits in any year.

I still have my 455 just because I couldn't bring myself to sell it as I have had it since new and that was over 22 years ago and 2,600 hours. But I have never mowed again with it.

Also, when i bought my 1025r, I didn't bother to buy a MMM and I have never regretted it.

To be totally honest, nothing cuts grass like a professional quality zero turn. Just because it can mow at 12mph doesn't mean you should for the best cut quality. I mow at about 8mph and once you get the turns down and don't tear up the sod spinning the mower (because you an very easily) you will be amazed at how great the good zero turn units really are. $

My ONLY regret was not buying a diesel powered ExMark Lazer Zero turn, but that was about $22k where as the unit I went with cost me about $11,500 out the door. I still might upgrade to the Yanmar diesel zero turn in the future. I should sell my 455 and attachments and take that cash and my current Zero turn and step up to the diesel. It would mean less equipment to store in the end and all equipment would be diesel powered.

The gas powered zero turns burn about 60% more fuel than did my 455 per hour mowing. But in an hour of mowing with the zero turn, I bet I mow at least 50% more ground, so the fuel to project is close to the same. I would just prefer to not have to buy and stock 30 gallons of diesel and 30 gallons of gasoline in my shed, which is what i now do.

As someone who is a Deere fan in a big way, frankly, their zero turn mowers are not their strong suit. I tried a new Deere unit which is similar to my mower and while it mowed real well, the Exmark is simply a much better machine. As Exmark likes to say "More professionals mow with ExMark Mowers over any other brands 2 to 1."

Mowing with the zero turn, Best decision I have made in a long time. I now have 160 hours on my Exmark and I have had it just 10 months right now. In fact, the month after I bought my zero turn, I bought my complete 1025R package with implements. I didn't want to mow with my 1025r because of the cab and also just because the ExMark does such a nice job. Glad I didn't buy the MMM for the 1025r as it can't mow as efficiently as the Exmark.

Find a good dealer and have them let you demo one of their zero turns at your place. My buddy dropped off the zero turn for me to mow with and that was all it took. I thought for the longest time that having a zero turn and a tractor would be a waste of money. Well, I was clearly wrong about that.
 

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I use our 4wd tractor to cut on hills (and for that matter everything else). How do the ZTR fair on hills where you would need 4wd typically to get up (and down safely)
I will mow hills with my zero turn that I will barely drive my 1025r up and down with the FEL and bucket on. The extremely low center of gravity on the zero turns makes mine very stable. There is no question I would side hill mow with the zero turn, and in fact I do, where I wouldn't consider it with the 1 series. My 455 was more stable on hills than the 1 series because of the lower center of gravity, but the zero turn is even better, in my opinion. I have the Mauser cab on my 1 series and that changes the center of gravity on that machine quite a bit. That's also why I don't MMM mow with it.

GTT Member Levi mows some serious side hills with his 1026r. He recently posted pictures of the hills he mows in Tennessee and he is clearly more comfortable mowing on the side hills than I would be with my tractor with the cab on it. I think the pictures are in the "What did you do with your SCUT" thread, just a few days ago for those wanting to see them. Based upon what I see in the pictures, I would likely mow those hills with my zero turn, but I likely wouldn't with the tractor. Maybe in person they look different, probably more steep.....:laugh:

As far as traction, I have had no issues. If it's wet enough to cause traction concerns, I wouldn't mow until it dries out because I don't like clumpy grass. I could see how you could spin the wheels on the zero turn under the wet conditions, but I mow up and down the road ditch with my zero turn and have had no issues. Going downhill a steep hill with the zero turn you have to proceed slowly and cautiously as you have all braking and steering on the rear wheels. But you really should do the same with any mowing machine.

One thing about the zero turn which you have to be careful with is that the zero turns are so low if they sink into soft ground, you can get them stuck real quick by hanging the deck or the underside of the machine. There are many posts about members getting their machines stuck, both tractors and zero turns.

I will admit there are some real cowboys when it comes to taking risks while mowing and I am not one of them.
 

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Went from a x5xx to a cub sz tank, it’s a commercial zero turn with a steering wheel. Cut my mowing time down considerably and will handle a hill well also, which is why I went the steering wheel route. As mentioned above, blade speed is higher, cut is cleaner, and ground speed is faster.


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Went from a x5xx to a cub sz tank, it’s a commercial zero turn with a steering wheel. Cut my mowing time down considerably and will handle a hill well also, which is why I went the steering wheel route. As mentioned above, blade speed is higher, cut is cleaner, and ground speed is faster.
What about a steering wheel equipped zero turn makes them better on a hill? Is the steering wheel not still just proportioning hydro output between the two rear independently driven wheels?

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What about a steering wheel equipped zero turn makes them better on a hill? Is the steering wheel not still just proportioning hydro output between the two rear independently driven wheels?

Rob
It controls the front wheels, they can’t rotate 360* like a lap stick ztr. With the steering wheel you can make the front wheels go where you want them.


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It controls the front wheels, they can’t rotate 360* like a lap stick ztr. With the steering wheel you can make the front wheels go where you want them.
Oh. Those models still look like they have the pivoting front wheels so I didn't realize that. Does the steering wheel control both the front wheels and the rear wheels? Seems like you couldn't do a 180* turn with just the front wheels.

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It controls the front wheels, they can’t rotate 360* like a lap stick ztr. With the steering wheel you can make the front wheels go where you want them.
What make/model ZRT with steering wheel are you looking at? The ones I've seen work just like a normal ZTR in that the front wheels just swivel. The only difference is they have the steering wheel coupled to the rear drive motors instead of the two sticks. These style of ZTRs are mostly for new converts who are still a bit leery about the two sticks.

Deere made a few models like this in the early 2000's with the SST-series. The steering mechanism was an absolute abomination.

 

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I just answered my own question. It looks like the Cub Cadet RZT SX series is a zero-turn machine with "four wheel steering". It's an odd design but it will do a 180-degree turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0k612OClvg
 

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GTT Member Levi mows some serious side hills with his 1026r. He recently posted pictures of the hills he mows in Tennessee and he is clearly more comfortable mowing on the side hills than I would be with my tractor with the cab on it. I think the pictures are in the "What did you do with your SCUT" thread, just a few days ago for those wanting to see them. Based upon what I see in the pictures, I would likely mow those hills with my zero turn, but I likely wouldn't with the tractor. Maybe in person they look different, probably more steep.....:laugh:
I don't have a Z machine so I can't say anything about them on how they handle on hills. As SulleyBear stated, with his tractor having a cab I wouldn't mow my hills with it either. It would be to top heavy. As is, with the way I mow I have to sit on the high side fender when mowing my hills at places going from side to side and it has to be in 4WD to keep the front end where it needs to be and to help pull the tractor along. With a 2WD or Z turn I don't think it would work here. I have mowed with a 2WD AWS 425 JD when we first bought this place. That tractor tried killing me 3 times before I traded for a 4WD tractor. Going down my hills it will have gravity take over and you will be going down hill without any control except steering. With steering you can steer it into a loop making it go back up hill till you get control back. Or you can wait till you hit some bushes where it will stop you, or a tree which will stop you too. Just be prepared to do so going backwards as the weight of the rear will spin you around making you go backwards if you turn to sharp trying to make a loop. U turns won't work, will just make you go backwards. Even 4WD won't work if it's not in 4WD. Don't ask how I know. :banghead:
If my place could be mowed with a Z turn, it won't be me doing it. I'd be more then happy to let someone else try, to see if it can be done. :munch:
 

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If my place could be mowed with a Z turn, it won't be me doing it. I'd be more then happy to let someone else try, to see if it can be done.
Same here... I have a VERY steep bank (i.e. near drop off) that is about 100 ft long and about 50 feet down to the road below. I slowly and carefully mow along it with my X500 knowing that my manual front wheel steer machine does not have the capability to suddenly make a 90-degree turn and drive off the embankment.
 

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I just answered my own question. It looks like the Cub Cadet RZT SX series is a zero-turn machine with "four wheel steering". It's an odd design but it will do a 180-degree turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0k612OClvg
Yep. My sz tank works the same way as the RZT SX. The front wheels though do not rotate 360* like a lap bar ztr.


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I think I'll be OK with the twin stick steering type. Thanks for the clarification though.

Rob
 
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